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    <title>life vs death:  too 'bee' or not to 'bee' - mostly in the mind</title>
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    <author>
      <name>rafaelO</name>
    </author>
    <id>http://immortalitymortality.tribe.net/thread/c1f90cc2-58ff-4236-9021-140e9a824c5f</id>
    <updated>2008-12-28T10:12:10Z</updated>
    <published>2006-06-12T15:15:09Z</published>
    <summary type="html">&lt;div&gt;i spent the weekend in the mojave desert at a gathering celebrating life under the fullmoon. on sunday morning, a girl in her early 20's was stung by a bee. her throat started to close up on her and she began to panic - she had a history of being allergic to bee stings, and had even taken an epinephrin shot a last time. we had no epinephrin for her in the middle of the mojave desert. when i came to her she was in laid out on the floor our first aide tent with our nurse. she could barely breathe and her pulse was 146 and climbing, we couldn't find her friends either. it was starting to look very bad as we couldn't get her to relax, it began to look like we might loose her. someone volunteered to drive her to a nearby(2hrs drive?) hospital  and brought his car around but she refused because she had taken mdma and didn't want to go to a hospital on drugs... as soon as she told me she was on mdma i knew she had a chance. 
&lt;br/&gt;"you took exstacy? that's wonderful! why don't you ask your throat why it's so tight? what is it holding on too?" i asked her.
&lt;br/&gt;
&lt;br/&gt;she instantly relaxed, she started breathing and her pulse dropped to 72 in less than 30 seconds.(our nurse has this neat little stats device that goes on your finger). a few moments later a wave of fear and panic took her again but this time much less and she already knew that she had won. this time i suggested that she forgive herself.... 5 minutes later she was sitting up and even enjoying her roll again. 
&lt;br/&gt;a doctor showed up. talked to her gave her some hits from an asma spray and some over the counter allergy meds but she was fine at this point.  30 minutes later she was on the dance floor.
&lt;br/&gt;
&lt;br/&gt;i wonder how many people die because they believe they will, rather than because they are actually in any danger. this young lady really could have died, she was tired, exposed, dehydrated,low blood sugar, tachycardia, on mdma (and who knows if that's all she took) and convinced that she would die from a bee sting if she didn't get a shot. 
&lt;br/&gt;
&lt;br/&gt;yet by choosing to communicate with herself she instantly chose to live.
&lt;br/&gt;
&lt;br/&gt;the human vessel never ceases to amaze me.
&lt;br/&gt;
&lt;br/&gt;rafael0
&lt;br/&gt;
&lt;br/&gt;x-posted on a couple of other tribes ;)&lt;/div&gt;
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    <dc:date>2006-06-12T15:15:09Z</dc:date>
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  <entry>
    <title>Leonard Orr in NYC- Dec 2008 - Physical Immortality and more...</title>
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    <author>
      <name>Peace</name>
    </author>
    <id>http://immortalitymortality.tribe.net/thread/3e20ad64-bed2-4701-8efd-bd40512cf7c3</id>
    <updated>2008-12-16T01:35:59Z</updated>
    <published>2008-12-16T01:35:59Z</published>
    <summary type="html">&lt;div&gt;Thursday December 18, 7:30 PM - 9 PM - NYC
&lt;br/&gt;A Discussion on Physical Immortality with
&lt;br/&gt;Leonard Orr &amp;amp; Jerry Epstein, MD
&lt;br/&gt;Moderated by Alan Steinfeld of New Realities TV
&lt;br/&gt;AT:   One Spirit Learning Alliance
&lt;br/&gt;         330 West 38th Steet, Suite 1500 - New York City
&lt;br/&gt;          Cost $20
&lt;br/&gt;
&lt;br/&gt;For info or reservations email  Peace Arnold at: Rebirthingnyc@gmail.com 
&lt;br/&gt;
&lt;br/&gt;Saturday, Dec. 20 - A Discussion on Personal Law with Leonard Orr - NYC -
&lt;br/&gt;     10 AM - 1 PM - Inwood - 79 Sherman Ave. ( at Dyckman) - 2nd floor -
&lt;br/&gt;      Cost- $50
&lt;br/&gt;  email Peace for details: Rebirthingnyc@gmail.com
&lt;br/&gt;
&lt;br/&gt;The Fires of Life; Sunday, December 21, 2008,  1-5 pm
&lt;br/&gt;
&lt;br/&gt;LEONARD ORR: Founder of Rebirthing Breathwork and International Speaker on Spiritual  Purification will present a unique and rare workshop on
&lt;br/&gt;
&lt;br/&gt;Spiritual Purification and Benefits of Fire
&lt;br/&gt;
&lt;br/&gt;     At: The Om Strength and Serenity Healing Center
&lt;br/&gt;        210 East Main Street, Huntington, Long Island
&lt;br/&gt;         
&lt;br/&gt;
&lt;br/&gt;   The presentation will be followed by Fire ceremonies honoring:
&lt;br/&gt;
&lt;br/&gt;                      # Winter solistice
&lt;br/&gt;                      # Vedic fire ceremony
&lt;br/&gt;                      # Hanukkah
&lt;br/&gt;
&lt;br/&gt;                                Cost $75 
&lt;br/&gt;
&lt;br/&gt;email Peace for details: Rebirthingnyc@gmail.com&lt;/div&gt;
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    <dc:creator>Peace</dc:creator>
    <dc:date>2008-12-16T01:35:59Z</dc:date>
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  <entry>
    <title>Leonard Orr on Physical Immortality</title>
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    <author>
      <name>Peace</name>
    </author>
    <id>http://immortalitymortality.tribe.net/thread/b0a6e4b7-8a20-484c-8f54-13302c822e58</id>
    <updated>2008-06-05T18:08:21Z</updated>
    <published>2007-06-28T15:33:10Z</published>
    <summary type="html">&lt;div&gt;
&lt;br/&gt;"People are realizing in larger and larger numbers that the purpose of
&lt;br/&gt;all scriptures is to teach us how death was created in human history,
&lt;br/&gt;how to get rid of it, and the practical realization of eternal life."
&lt;br/&gt;
&lt;br/&gt;
&lt;br/&gt;****************************************************************
&lt;br/&gt;"The philosophy of immortality believed will produce death.  That is,
&lt;br/&gt;believed rather than practiced.  Belief is past; everlasting life is
&lt;br/&gt;an eternal daily consciousness.  It is not something you did, but
&lt;br/&gt;something you do."
&lt;br/&gt;
&lt;br/&gt;"Eternal life is a mind that is beyond belief and is fed by an
&lt;br/&gt;ever-present intuitive, divine connection to the common sense wisdom
&lt;br/&gt;of life itself.
&lt;br/&gt;
&lt;br/&gt;Physical immortality as a doctrine can never work. Physical
&lt;br/&gt;immortality as a conscious connection to The Tree Of Life is natural.
&lt;br/&gt;Maha samadhi as a doctrine is an evil form of deathist mentality.
&lt;br/&gt;Physical immortality as a living philosophy is the only cause you
&lt;br/&gt;cannot die for. Physical immortality as a belief system could cause
&lt;br/&gt;one person to murder another out of fear and false righteousness.  You
&lt;br/&gt;can never achieve immortality, you can only practice it.  You can only
&lt;br/&gt;be it and live it."
&lt;br/&gt;
&lt;br/&gt;*taken from Physical Immortality: The Science of Everlasting Life by Leonard Orr&lt;/div&gt;
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    <dc:creator>Peace</dc:creator>
    <dc:date>2007-06-28T15:33:10Z</dc:date>
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  <entry>
    <title>Fantastic Voyage - physical immortality within our grasp</title>
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    <author>
      <name>dlight</name>
    </author>
    <id>http://immortalitymortality.tribe.net/thread/9871bf79-9efe-4410-a1e3-0099b12c968c</id>
    <updated>2008-05-28T04:50:44Z</updated>
    <published>2007-01-31T05:23:03Z</published>
    <summary type="html">&lt;div&gt;I've just discovered  life-changing book (for me at least) called Fantastic Voyage by Ray Kurzweil.   Kurzweil is the amazing inventor and futurist author of "The Age of Spiritual Machines" and "The singularity is near".
&lt;br/&gt;
&lt;br/&gt;The premise of fantastic voyage is that medical science is advancing so quickly (though most of the advances are still in the laboratory) that if you are alive 20 to 30 years from now,  you'll be able to stay alive indefinitely, and eventually be able to transform your body to an optimal age.
&lt;br/&gt;
&lt;br/&gt;As a scientist and futurist myself,  I can assure everyone that there's nothing far-fetched about this.   Read sciencedaily.com or other science news sites and you'll be astonished by the amazing revolution that's occuring in medical science,  and in fact in all areas of science and technology.
&lt;br/&gt;
&lt;br/&gt;Our ability to read and understand our DNA is providing an overwhelming amount of knowledge about what was formerly invisible.   Here's a summary from Kurzweil:
&lt;br/&gt;
&lt;br/&gt;"Consider health. As of just recently, we now have the tools to reprogram biology. This is also at an early stage but is progressing through the same exponential growth of information technology, which we see in every aspect of biological progress. The amount of genetic data we have sequenced has doubled every year and the price per base pair has come down commensurately. The first genome cost a billion dollars, NIH is now starting a project to collect a million genomes at a thousand dollars a piece. We can turn genes off with RNA interference, add new genes (to adults) with new reliable forms of gene therapy, and turn on and off proteins and enzyme at critical stages of disease progression. We are gaining the means to model, simulate, and reprogram disease and aging processes as information processes. These technologies will be a thousand times more powerful than they are today in ten years, and it will be a very different world in terms of our ability to turn off disease and aging. "
&lt;br/&gt;
&lt;br/&gt;Because his father and grandfather died at a young age from heart disease,  and Kurzweil himself is 58, he has designed a program to keep himself from having heart disease and cancer.   He has created a new methodology for using cutting edge medical science.  In a nutshell he has focused on diet, aggessive supplementation, and getting yourself tested for many conditions,  and correcting them using diet, supplements, and as a last resort, prescription drugs.
&lt;br/&gt;
&lt;br/&gt;Those attempting to create a personal nutrition program will appreciate the comprehensive framework by which to understand which foods are beneficial and which aren't so great.   He states that diseases like cancer and heart disease are from years of not taking care of yourself.   But now we even have the tools to have our DNA tested to find out what DNA polymorphisms make us more susceptible to various chronic conditions,  which are correctible if you know about them and monitor them.
&lt;br/&gt;
&lt;br/&gt;Some people are turned off by this technological and "mainstream" scientific approach to immortality, although there's nothing mainstream about Kurzweils super-empowering point-of-view.   I am into energy healing myself,  however,  I personally believe that science is just another form of magic that manifests if you do the right energy work.   And there's certainly no reason not to continue or accelerate one's energetic healing,  these two approaches complement and enhance each other.
&lt;br/&gt;
&lt;br/&gt;But for me it has revived the excitement of the potential for physical immortality that I was into about 12 years ago,  which I mentioned in an earlier post.   It is much more motivating to correct your diet and lifestyle if you think you might enjoy another 1000 years,  as opposed to just stretching our your old age for a few more years.
&lt;br/&gt;
&lt;br/&gt;When I'm discussing the book with people,  I always find it surprising how many people say "I'd never want to live forever".    To me this is a tricky way of asking someone if they are truly happy,  since the idea of living forever possibly means being stuck in your life as you currently know it for a very long time.
&lt;br/&gt;
&lt;br/&gt;I personally am greatly enjoying my life, and its unfoldment, and can't imagine not wanting to extend it as long as possible assuming I'm able to continue to be healthy and creative.
&lt;br/&gt;Cheers,
&lt;br/&gt;Dlight
&lt;br/&gt;
&lt;br/&gt;
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&lt;br/&gt;
&lt;br/&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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    <dc:creator>dlight</dc:creator>
    <dc:date>2007-01-31T05:23:03Z</dc:date>
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  <entry>
    <title>The only way to achieve an understanding of the mechanics behind true immortality</title>
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    <author>
      <name>lovol</name>
    </author>
    <id>http://immortalitymortality.tribe.net/thread/41d7d07a-5d0e-43d8-a17f-c1b162c2982c</id>
    <updated>2008-05-19T15:51:38Z</updated>
    <published>2007-04-17T17:40:25Z</published>
    <summary type="html">&lt;div&gt;I think that
&lt;br/&gt;
&lt;br/&gt;in order to gather proper information for any soul out there who would like to attempt a possible comprehension of the mechanics behind immortality
&lt;br/&gt;
&lt;br/&gt;is to operate a massive reversed_study of the effects...of Strontium90 on the human bones...
&lt;br/&gt;more preciesely a deep study of this nuclear byproduct on our DNA should conduct to some clue...
&lt;br/&gt;
&lt;br/&gt;behind...ressurection iteself...(if one insists on the fact that true immortality could not take place without the notion of ressurection)
&lt;br/&gt;
&lt;br/&gt;If Jesus did ever ressurect
&lt;br/&gt;
&lt;br/&gt;the only piece of evidence would possibly be contained in what we all know as the shroud of turin....(despise whatever MR Jocobovici and his claims of jesus familly tomb...this peace has more atuned elements to bear link with Christ that any other even the one not found)
&lt;br/&gt;
&lt;br/&gt;One interresting fact is
&lt;br/&gt;
&lt;br/&gt;that if you imagine the mechanics behind ressurection  itself...it surely implies that it involved somekind of high level atomic energy 
&lt;br/&gt;like an explosion of an atomic bomb...but yet this time a more controlled one, a more refined one...a contained one...a mastered one.
&lt;br/&gt;
&lt;br/&gt;because the usual injurie and destruction of life and all material inside the actual zone of atomic explosion is not observable in the case of Jesus' Christ ressurection...just the shroud bears a little bit of the huge high level energy activity...
&lt;br/&gt;
&lt;br/&gt;on the shroud...we even can found evident traces  of Strontium90...
&lt;br/&gt;
&lt;br/&gt;and case is that it is just merely impossible to found traces of Strontium90 without nuclear fusion...
&lt;br/&gt;
&lt;br/&gt;So starting from there...
&lt;br/&gt;
&lt;br/&gt;is there someone out there that could reversestudy these informations and perhaps find the very premisses of ressurection ?
&lt;br/&gt;
&lt;br/&gt;I still think that to accomplish whatever we would gather as knowledge...
&lt;br/&gt;Ressurection would not yet be obtainable without a huge fields of matering of the human existence experience...
&lt;br/&gt;
&lt;br/&gt;Jesus was a master that seem so obvious to me...
&lt;br/&gt;
&lt;br/&gt;I still wonder how all the elite out there are just fascinated with tombs...(esp...that jesus never was rich enough to have buy these ossuaries this practice was only amongs the richest jew...othe jew would be bury in the desert without inscription in the desert...when it was not just the vulture who would take care of their carcasses...and Jesus does not just seem to have had this traditional implementations drilled into his psyche...I think it was just not in his philosophy at any time and to bury himself this way is out of the questions...)
&lt;br/&gt;
&lt;br/&gt;Why anyone ignited when we found traces of Strontium90 in the shroud of Turin ?
&lt;br/&gt;
&lt;br/&gt;
&lt;br/&gt;Gee if I would be a millionnaire...after helping some more social and humanizing issues...I would collect each penny left to invest in such ReversedStudy...
&lt;br/&gt;
&lt;br/&gt;+ I think it would help us understand not only the mechanics of ressurection but all the truth behind the huge beauty software that is our DNA (verb of god)
&lt;br/&gt;
&lt;br/&gt;What implication our bones have in the process of franchising our selves in the process of ressurection...
&lt;br/&gt;
&lt;br/&gt;God created this software as an insurance policy to determine wich entity can have a closer access to his supreme being...withou having to bear the jusdgemental paradigm...
&lt;br/&gt;
&lt;br/&gt;in our bones what a drone...
&lt;br/&gt;
&lt;br/&gt;Funny how when conceived...no bones exist...
&lt;br/&gt;
&lt;br/&gt;when death comes to seize us from our instance
&lt;br/&gt;prior to our metempsychosis
&lt;br/&gt;only the bones remains
&lt;br/&gt;
&lt;br/&gt;for whom it may interrest...
&lt;br/&gt;Peace and Love
&lt;br/&gt;R&lt;/div&gt;
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    <dc:date>2007-04-17T17:40:25Z</dc:date>
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  <entry>
    <title>IMMORTALITY, compassion and love for those who want to listen</title>
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    <author>
      <name>Dr Dominic</name>
    </author>
    <id>http://immortalitymortality.tribe.net/thread/19d863e5-b8cc-4575-ba99-57595802c87d</id>
    <updated>2008-05-19T15:50:01Z</updated>
    <published>2006-11-24T18:13:31Z</published>
    <summary type="html">&lt;div&gt;hello 
&lt;br/&gt;The first chapter of my book after 25 years of research has within it the keys to IMMORTALITY IN PREPARATION FOR ASCENSION. 
&lt;br/&gt;FROM CHAPTER ONE TAKE X the healing factor , apply it to the blood , body and brain, this will make the human body all positive  and Immortal, once you have read the book , contact me for the 3 ways it will be done…2 slow , 1 on mass.....(via a pyramid using the Sun and Sirius energy on the dog days).... the the pyramids will be opened later on FOR LIGHT WORKERS,I hope you understand what I am saying...................Tell all your light worker friends to get the book as I am a Light Worker myself, who has been presented now with the understandings of immortality ,which I must give to other light workers. This is the information you have to pass on for the good of all light workers. 
&lt;br/&gt;in the light 
&lt;br/&gt;Dominic 
&lt;br/&gt;I recommend my book ORMUS FROM AUTHORHOUSE 
&lt;br/&gt;www.authorhouse.com/BookStor...alog.aspx
&lt;br/&gt;ORMUS, ORME....WHITE GOLD ...The manna, the white powder of gold, is the food, the light, one takes into their body. It is the FOOD OF THE GODS. A modern day Rabbi might tell you that no one has known how to make the manna, the white powder of Gold, since the destruction of the Temple of Solomon. The technique is, supposedly, a lost art or lost knowledge. But others argue that when the high priests left the Temple (when it was destroyed), the took the secret out into the desert and organized a commune called Qumrun. There, they became the Essenes. Eventually, the white powder was used to nourish a woman named Mary, and eventually, she gave birth to a man named Jesus. 
&lt;br/&gt;These gifts include: perfect telepathy, the ability to know good and evil when it’s present, and to project thoughts into another person’s mind. There is also the ability to levitate, or to walk on water. By excluding all external magnetic fields (including the Earth’s gravity), the white powder of gold takes one beyond the four dimensional space time continuum, and the individual becomes a fifth dimensional being. They can literally think where they would like to be, and go there. They can heal by the laying on of hands, and can cleanse and resurrect the dead within two or three days after they died. They have so much energy that they can literally embrace people and bring light and energy back into them. We the International Order Of Knight Templars have the keys to Immortality.The International Order of Knight Templars has many hidden esoteric keys about ormus , immortality and 2012. 
&lt;br/&gt;please take a look at these forums 
&lt;br/&gt;groups.msn.com/KNIGHTSOFC...atsnew.msnw
&lt;br/&gt;my book ORMUS , HAS THE KEYS TO IMMORTALITY VEILED IN THE FIRST CHAPTER 
&lt;br/&gt;www.authorhouse.com/BookStor...Home.aspx
&lt;br/&gt;
&lt;br/&gt;LOVE AND LIGHT 
&lt;br/&gt;DOMINIC&lt;/div&gt;
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    <dc:date>2006-11-24T18:13:31Z</dc:date>
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  <entry>
    <title>During recovery from back surgery, I went lucid.</title>
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    <author>
      <name>Robert</name>
    </author>
    <id>http://immortalitymortality.tribe.net/thread/90458979-681f-4755-836d-c33084acfb63</id>
    <updated>2008-05-19T15:47:19Z</updated>
    <published>2008-03-06T20:24:40Z</published>
    <summary type="html">&lt;div&gt;Physical Immortality is what dna seeds attempt anywhere they can thrive. The only other context of intent is confusion; default futile psychicality.
&lt;br/&gt;
&lt;br/&gt;In social apertures and interfaces the opportunity to reconfigure the lost is always what to be "doing".
&lt;br/&gt;Anything less is suicidal and delays the potential of the individuals and the composite organism.
&lt;br/&gt;
&lt;br/&gt;Blessed are the chronoids; the miracle is exploding internetedly. I am marinating in appreciation; I am radiant with enthusiasm.
&lt;br/&gt;
&lt;br/&gt;Carefully Learning.
&lt;br/&gt;
&lt;br/&gt;http://groups.google.com/group/genomic-inferentiality/web/genomic-inferentiality-page-1&lt;/div&gt;
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    <dc:date>2008-03-06T20:24:40Z</dc:date>
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  <entry>
    <title>Longer living through chemistry: Serotonin signaling and CR mimesis in the worm</title>
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    <author>
      <name>bellaT</name>
    </author>
    <id>http://immortalitymortality.tribe.net/thread/469d4b99-9b81-4635-a7c4-c86d4d41f204</id>
    <updated>2008-01-10T18:53:15Z</updated>
    <published>2008-01-09T02:00:39Z</published>
    <summary type="html">&lt;div&gt;Hi immortalists and mortalists,
&lt;br/&gt;
&lt;br/&gt;I just read the article below along with one response.  Can someone consolidate what this is saying....?
&lt;br/&gt; 
&lt;br/&gt;
&lt;br/&gt;http://ouroboros.wordpress.com/2007/11/28/longer-living-through-chemistry-serotonin-signaling-and-cr-mimesis-in-the-worm/
&lt;br/&gt;
&lt;br/&gt;A large-scale screen in C. elegans has identified two antidepressant medications that extend lifespan in biogerontologists’ favorite nematode. Petrascheck, Ye and Buck (that’s this Buck, not that Buck) report that mianserin and mirtazapine boost worm longevity by ~30%. In both cases, drug efficacy requires an intact serotonergic signaling pathway, implying that they act by influencing neuronal signaling (as they do in humans) rather than some other process.
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&lt;br/&gt;Based on their studies of these compounds in long- and short-lived mutants as well as dietarily restricted animals, the authors conclude that the mechanism of longevity enhancement is similar to that of calorie restriction (CR). They favor a model in which the worm is being tricked into “thinking” that it’s undergoing CR without actually limiting food intake:
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&lt;br/&gt;It may be that these two neurotransmitters exist in a dynamic equilibrium that is tipped in the direction of a starvation response by mianserin, possibly because of the greater inhibitory effect of mianserin on SER-4 than SER-3. In this way, mianserin might potentially create a ‘perceived’ state of starvation that, despite adequate food intake, would activate mechanisms of lifespan extension downstream of dietary restriction.
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&lt;br/&gt;If the authors’ interpretation is correct, the results bolster the emerging view that perception about food availability (rather than its actual availability, or for that matter the organism’s actual food intake) is critical to the benefits of CR. We already know of two neurons that are essential for CR efficacy in the worm, and that in flies olfactory information about food can by itself regulate lifespan. With the discovery of these two compounds’ effect on aging, we’re starting to close in on the specific neural mechanisms by which information about food is translated into a pro-longevity response.
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&lt;br/&gt;The role of serotonergic signaling in human longevity and CR effects remains unclear — but I must share this intriguing tidbit: One of the reasons that mianserin is an unpopular treatment for depression is its side effects, which include (drum roll) increased appetite and weight gain. Anyone who has seen a dietarily restricted mouse tear desperately into its 60% ration of daily chow knows that CR can dramatically affect food-related behavior — and if one were engaging in these CR-related behaviors without actually restricting food intake, it’s easy to see how weight gain would result. It’s tempting to speculate that mianserin’s appetite- and weight-related side effects might be the consequence of some type of CR mimesis. (This should be in no way construed as a suggestion that anyone give it a try; serotonergically normal people who screw with that particular neurochemical axis place themselves at risk of psychosis, not to mention a very bad case of dry mouth).
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&lt;br/&gt;This isn’t the first time we’ve discussed a connection between CR and depression: two separate studies have shown that CR induces anxiety and depression in rats, probably via downregulation of serotonin synthesis and serotonergic receptors in the brain. This actually makes a certain amount of sense from an evolutionary point of view: if the environment is empty of food, it’s adaptive to just stay in the burrow and wait for better times, and depression is one path to that behavior. That’s quite a different story than the paper we’re discussing today: the rat studies showed that CR causes some aspects of depression, whereas the worm studies showed that drugs that alleviate depression (in humans) mimic some aspects of CR (in worms). I’m not sure how to integrate those results with these, or whether it’s worthwhile to try, but I’d love to see someone put these pieces together somehow.
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&lt;br/&gt;One final note: There are other ongoing chemical biology screens for lifespan extension compounds currently underway; I mentioned one of them in my review of Gordon Lithgow’s talk at the 2007 Hillblom Foundation meeting (that one is being run at this Buck). Likely due to differences in the initial libraries of compounds screened, as well as idiosyncrasies in the screening protocols, the preliminary hits from the Buck Institute screen are nonoverlapping with the ones reported by Petrascheck et al. — so before long, we’ll have another crop of longevity-enhancing compounds to puzzle over.
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&lt;br/&gt;One Response to “Longer living through chemistry: Serotonin signaling and CR mimesis in the worm”
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&lt;br/&gt;linkadge Says:	
&lt;br/&gt;December 12, 2007 at 8:51 pm
&lt;br/&gt;I am not sure if I agree with all of what ouroboros has said. Weight gain by these drugs is mediated by 5-ht2c blockade. My take is that by blocking this receptor the organism still feels starved hence releasing such CR chemicals, rather than the other way around. Modulation of serotonin usually doesn’t produce dry mouth, and blockade of the 5-ht2 system doesn’t produce psychosis, rather it alleviates it, hence 5-ht2 blocade by atypical antipsychotics. I also disagree with CR producing depression. CR reduces apoptosis, and increases hippocampal proliferation. It also increases BDNF which trophs serotonergic neurons. Fasting also induces a subsensitivity of inhibitory 5-ht1b receptors which leads to enhanced seronin release. CR can also produces anticonvulsant effects which may reduce anxiety. Here is a study of CR reducing anxiety in rats. http://www.nature.com/npp/journal/v28/n7/full/1300168a.html I wouldn’t try to link the many divergent effects of various serotonin receptors. It can quel anxiety in certain brain regions, and cause it in others.&lt;/div&gt;
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    <dc:date>2008-01-09T02:00:39Z</dc:date>
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    <title>Leonard Orr  in NYC</title>
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      <name>Peace</name>
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    <updated>2007-07-18T06:30:35Z</updated>
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    <summary type="html">&lt;div&gt;Rebirthing Breathwork is a spiritual  Purification Practice discovered by Leonard Orr in the 1960's.  Leonard is a student of Babaji, Immortal Yogi and has bee studying and teaching Physical Immortality and the practices of the Immortal yogis since that time.  I hope some odf you are able to come and meet Leonard and learn one of the most valuable practices toward Immortality known today.
&lt;br/&gt;Love,
&lt;br/&gt;peace ~*~
&lt;br/&gt;
&lt;br/&gt;One Day Rebirthing Workshop with Leonard Orr
&lt;br/&gt;Saturday, July 21    9:30 AM, (sharp) – 6 PM, (approximately)  
&lt;br/&gt;$165  -SPACE IS LIMITED! To register send a $75 Deposit by July 15 to:   Peace Arnold  
&lt;br/&gt;                                    70 Park Terrace East #2G
&lt;br/&gt;                           New York, NY 10034
&lt;br/&gt;                           212-942-7138
&lt;br/&gt;                           RebirthingNYC@gmail.com
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&lt;br/&gt;NYC- Tri-State Area Location to be announced.  Contact Peace Arnold for details
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  <entry>
    <title>ebbing process</title>
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      <name>bellaT</name>
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    <updated>2007-01-31T04:40:17Z</updated>
    <published>2006-11-15T04:16:17Z</published>
    <summary type="html">&lt;div&gt;
&lt;br/&gt;Hello fellow ponderers, 
&lt;br/&gt;
&lt;br/&gt;the last few months have been filled with opportunities to contemplate the shadow valley.....first of all I spent quite a bit of time in a gallery across the street from a cemetary, where I had an art show....then.... 
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&lt;br/&gt;the news that an old friend is struggling to hang on.... 
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&lt;br/&gt;I've been visiting her. Recently, I spent the night. She has waves of energy, then deep chasms of agony, then long sleeps where at least there is no pain. She loves life and at times wants to live and repeats over and over mantras of healing, then other times wants out, just to escape the pain and struggle. Each time I see her, I am prepared that it may be the last time or the threshold of a miracle of spontaneous healing. My heart is pulled every which way and all my beliefs are challenged. Sometimes I'm confirming her wish that she can make it, other times, I'm simply listening or helping through a difficult wave (nausea, throwing up, inexpressible pains throughout her body....) I've done some energy work and intuitive shamanic banishing of pain....also hypnotherapy....these all seem to help, have some effect, make her feel a little better.....but I cannot be there all the time. 
&lt;br/&gt;
&lt;br/&gt;At this time, she is in a teetering balance of living for the moment and preparing to let it go if needs be. Family members vary in belief and desire between wanting her to live and believing she can and believing that she is dying and that nothing can be done to stop this. 
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&lt;br/&gt;She has told me that she is afraid of dying and though a Christian, is afraid of saying goodbye to this life and her loved ones, is concerned about them and afraid of the unknown. 
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&lt;br/&gt;All around her bedroom are images of angels and while working with her energy one day I felt quite sure there was an angelic presence that blew in..... 
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&lt;br/&gt;Sometimes, I'm really pulling from the air whatever seems right to say or do, other times there is a clear directive. The process of dying can be oh so painful and as I see it in this once vibrant, (still very shining) somewhat raucus, fun, sweet and at times infuriating woman...I am moved to speechlessness and emptying of what I know. 
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&lt;br/&gt;I have only encountered one other person in this process and it was during the last two days, now I am receiving further education about the cruelty of the mortal coil. This particular human did not take good care of their vessel and even now is still in the grips of addiction, i.e. smoking cigarettes even though she is on nicorette. It's the oral fixation, the pacifier..... 
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&lt;br/&gt;Underlying all the disease, seems to be a bottomless sorrow from lack of nurturence....and resentments to fill a battlefield....and despite all this, she is still a very good person, fatally flawed, yet beautiful deep down. 
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&lt;br/&gt;In her illness, she is physically more beautiful than when in health....the excess weight is dropped, her eyes glow with profound meaning, her manner is softer, more gentle, judgments are still there but tempered with the perspective of mortality.... 
&lt;br/&gt;
&lt;br/&gt;Seeing all this, I pray for a Yogananda-like journey for me and my loved ones.....good health and peace till the time emerges, if it must, for I still keep open the idea of physical life extension via love vibration and right living, eating, etc. Funny bird that I am! 
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&lt;br/&gt;I'll let you all know of any realizations or teachings that come through as I continue to be there for my friend. She was once there for me when I needed help, we lost touch for ages and it is thus very poignant that I am back in her life as it seems to be ending.
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&lt;br/&gt; &lt;/div&gt;
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  <entry>
    <title>Just wanted to share this tune with you...a song by DONOVAN...the lyrics are pas pire pantoute !!!</title>
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    <author>
      <name>lovol</name>
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    <id>http://immortalitymortality.tribe.net/thread/4cd4c338-73ae-4e32-9d26-11b8b6bfc349</id>
    <updated>2006-08-21T08:37:26Z</updated>
    <published>2006-08-16T22:02:16Z</published>
    <summary type="html">&lt;div&gt;The Divine Daze Of Deathless Delight (DONOVAN)
&lt;br/&gt;
&lt;br/&gt;Seek ye the mystery through all this energy
&lt;br/&gt;To set your soul bird free from deathless delight.
&lt;br/&gt;There are so many ways, forms upon which to gaze,
&lt;br/&gt;Live in a divine daze of deathless delight,
&lt;br/&gt;Deathless delight, deathless delight.
&lt;br/&gt;
&lt;br/&gt;There may be so many, many pains,
&lt;br/&gt;Till of old the golden goal you gain.
&lt;br/&gt;Out on the lonely road you began long ago,
&lt;br/&gt;No other way to show deathless delight,
&lt;br/&gt;Deathless delight, deathless delight.
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&lt;br/&gt;Deathless delight
&lt;br/&gt;Deathless delight
&lt;br/&gt;Deathless delight.
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&lt;br/&gt;I have had some tingles in my time,
&lt;br/&gt;Never dreaming them to be a sign, be a sign.
&lt;br/&gt;Out on the lonely road living a warrior's code,
&lt;br/&gt;Everywhere thine abode of deathless delight,
&lt;br/&gt;Deathless delight, deathless delight&lt;/div&gt;
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    <title>Immortality not indestructable</title>
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      <name>spunone</name>
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    <updated>2006-07-12T12:16:03Z</updated>
    <published>2005-05-05T03:12:19Z</published>
    <summary type="html">&lt;div&gt; Many seem to confuse immortality with being indestructable, I tend to disagree. Throughout time, there have been many immortals who lived, and few who lived for a real long time. Immortal beings are people who, born under a certain cosmic blessing, are more tuned into what is really going on. 
&lt;br/&gt;   Some people are more left handed, some right, and some ambidextrous. A full blown immortal probably would be like a super monkey human, with super fluid motion to humble the most fluid of zen masters, taoist priests, and even the amazing Mexican assembly workers..(Seriously, in my belief they rule the zen frequencies of mortal existence)
&lt;br/&gt;  So, even tho a highly enlightened immortal may come to town riding the chariot with a sun as a wheel, this life is a temporary measure. A mix of energy and matter uniting in a puzzle.
&lt;br/&gt;  Many stories of immortals tell of them being slaughtered by other constellations and stuff. 
&lt;br/&gt;    Any inputs???&lt;/div&gt;
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    <dc:date>2005-05-05T03:12:19Z</dc:date>
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  <entry>
    <title>The memory of water and Alice</title>
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      <name>bellaT</name>
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    <updated>2006-05-27T22:37:08Z</updated>
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    <summary type="html">&lt;div&gt;I do believe that water IS conscious and remembers vibrational and morphic imprints....in this sense water is the vessel of immortality, that is if we equate immortality with memory and being remembered and thus preserved energetically in that resonance.....in this way, fluid is truly the passage or bridge between entry and exit or rather the door which functions as both, for impressionability of water is mutable.  I'm not alone in the idea that water retains and responds to energetic input as well as brings with it's own being it's own patterns and poetry so to speak.  Perhaps, much mystical and poetic thought has expressed similar ideas in various ways and now natural science is investigating and validating this view.  What say you to this aspect....water, the mother of all life and our most ancient record....no water no life and then the natural question follows....as to the mother and father of the water.
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&lt;br/&gt;Intelligence is omniscient in the permission for life to have existed here.  There have been deluges that obliterated all and earthly existence of beings on earth lies in the balance of water's balance...ice caps etc.  We are composed mostly of water and perhaps Lewis Carrol expressed the dichotomy the best in the image of Alice swimming in her own tears. 
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  <entry>
    <title>dying laughing</title>
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      <name>bellaT</name>
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    <updated>2006-05-26T15:30:25Z</updated>
    <published>2006-01-07T05:56:21Z</published>
    <summary type="html">&lt;div&gt;Has anyone ever died laughing I wonder?
&lt;br/&gt;Or died from laughing?
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&lt;br/&gt;Would that be possible and if so pleasurable, the most benign way to go?
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&lt;br/&gt;Could humor catapult us into a vibration of sacred hilarity?
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&lt;br/&gt;It is supposedly possible to be tortured by tickling and presumably there are those who find it so exhaustingly excruciating that they could die in this way...but I wonder if that has ever happened.
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&lt;br/&gt;Can laughter hurt the laugher?
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&lt;br/&gt;We know it can hurt the one being laughed at?
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&lt;br/&gt;But the highest laughter is that which transcends object perhaps?
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&lt;br/&gt;Sacred fools....supposedly laugh at nothing and everything and I've experienced times where I was a bit like that myself.
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&lt;br/&gt;Is it possible to laugh death in the face in such a way as to heal any fear towards it?
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&lt;br/&gt;The day of the dead in Mexico treats death with gaity and humor....baby and adult puppet skeletons adorned with flowers...a sweet, endearing sort of attitude towards the dead of the past and in turn that to come.
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&lt;br/&gt;A skull permanently smiles or grimaces depending upon how you look at it...
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&lt;br/&gt;Ho, ho, ho!   
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&lt;br/&gt;And Tommy Cooper the comedian comes to mind again!  How did it feel to die amidst laughter?&lt;/div&gt;
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    <title>Physical immortality, DNA, shaman, serpent &amp;amp; Quantum physics</title>
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      <name>bellaT</name>
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    <updated>2006-05-23T18:29:52Z</updated>
    <published>2005-02-08T04:51:06Z</published>
    <summary type="html">&lt;div&gt;In response to Delight's post:
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&lt;br/&gt;(also to be found with his post, this one has typo corrections though)
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&lt;br/&gt;As a holistic hypnotherapist for a living I can attest to the miraculous results of  healing beliefs and cellular memories as witnessed first hand.  Some of my clients are rid of conditions the doctors and/or shrinks just bandaged with pills.  They are off the pills and free of the symptoms.  Just recently, a client who had had persistent post traumatic stress disorder for two years on a daily basis, several times a day with such violent hallucinations that they had a hard time functioning, e.g. driving a car (they even had to be driven by a friend to their session with me) was cured of it after just one session.  Interestingly, a past life, or spirit guide from an ancient time popped in to their deep trance state and participated in the work.  The session ended up being many hours long and deeply removing the traumatic memorie's attachment.  The memory is still there but it no longer has a "life of it's own".
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&lt;br/&gt;The belief in death could be seen as a conditioned belief....perhaps even encoded into ones DNA, since our ancestors all eventually died (or did they?) however, as a child when first told of physical death as something that would eventually happen to my parents and even to me, I remember thinking it didn't make sense.  Perhaps this is true of all children, I don't know.  But my young mind reasoned that if we kept healthy why would we have to die?  I knew I didn't want my parents to die and I didn't want to die. I cried for a long time at the thought of it.
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&lt;br/&gt;If we did not believe in physical death and ate the ultimately healthy diet, thought the ultimately healthy thoughts, felt the healthyiest emotions, drank restructured water, had full body orgasms, laughed and breathed pure oxygen would that be possible.  Hmmmm....I don't put it beyond the realm of possiblity.  I imagine that it would require a rigorous constant cleansing on all levels, especially on a cellular level...making sure that negativity or emotional, spiritual wounds were constantly addressed, responded to, released and healed.  One would need to live in a constant state and vibration of love.
&lt;br/&gt;
&lt;br/&gt;In the preface of Yogananda's "Autobiography of a yogi" there is a coroner;s report talking about the unusual case of Paramahansa Yogananda's physical body after death....it did not deteriorate for two months after he died. It just stayed fresh and as if he had just gone to sleep.
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&lt;br/&gt;I believe that his love vibration kept his cells intact, so that heven when his heart was no longer beating in his body, the integrity of the cellular life still vibrated.  This would suggest that cells have an intelligence all their own, a vibration, not wholly dependent upon the mechanics of corporeal functions.  
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&lt;br/&gt;Only last year, did death finally hit me as something possibly very real that would indeed happen to even  (drumroll, gasp!) me.  Prior to that I felt physically immortal.  I went through a trip of internal negotiations, introspection and release of fear on that one.  Giving up the mortal coil...all religions (except the ancient Egyptians) advocate coming to terms with it spiritually and puting the focus on spirit rather than body, so that consciousness can be in a peaceful vibration when separation from the flesh occurrs.  My confrontation with mortality sort of occurred suddenly due to a series of things, nothing life threatening, but let's just say events that just hit me hard.  Here I was an expert on panic attacks, yet getting them, seeing death as a hair raising rollercoaster ride rather than the transitional process that I helped others recognise it to be.  Well, now, I am an even better, more adept specialist on panic attacks and on death negotiations (or dialgoues within about it) than before, since I too have experienced the chilly hand on my chest.
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&lt;br/&gt;On a different vibe...about 2 years before this, I had an ayahuasca experience in which I experienced death as a kind of life....it happened through the eyes of a fire serpent that I could see in a fire that was burning in the center of the ceremony.  It felt as a harmonic convergence in which consciousness was all in clusive, identityless, yet not lost, still interested and yet free of agenda....oh, but how warm the chest felt, how lovely the heart.....would it feel so delicious without those blessed organs to enhance the conceptual experience conveyed?  How good the hugs, limbs encircling, hearts beating, the joy of breathing....at the time, the experience did not address the reality of giving up corporeal existence...rather it amplified it, while blessing death.  The serpent is primal life force....yet this serpent was both life and death...paradoxically both....the eyes were the void...death...the body was life....burning....there was more to the journey, but would take a long time to describe.  I did see an alphabet of mudras within the brain as seen from outer space, and the brain as a planet.... truly extraordinary images that took my breath away (funny that expression!) The interconnectedness of all nature on earth was also elegantly, exquisitely portrayed (such as rose petals becoming human fingerprints becoming whirpools, becoming radiation from stars, becoming spider webs etc. etc.) against a backdrop of outer space.
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&lt;br/&gt;I saw a documentary about DNA in which it was said that the mystery of why we have to die, if our physical cells rejenerate, our skin cells slough off every day, etc. etc. was something that science had not fully uncovered.  It said that 2% of our DNA was even remotely understood.  This small amount is protein based.  The rest of our DNA, science has labeled "junk DNA !!  According to an article just sent to me (Thanks Rich! See below) Russian scientists (thank God for them, they lead the way in paranormal research) are investigating this "junk DNA" and feel that it is connected to things such as  clairvoyance etc.  Indeed, In Jeremy Narby's book "The Cosmic Serpent:  DNA and the origins of knowledge" he puts forth the convincing and intriguing idea that the visions brought about by ayahuasca are indeed layers of reality (I believe that they truly are....they do not have the freakiness of hallucinations, but a truly organic dimensional truth to their energy, plus the inner wisdom gained is revelational, without being sensational.  It's just truth) that are projected by our very DNA into an internal cinema if you will.  Biophotons exist within our DNA, that is light....Shamans in trying toexplain the reality of the visions to the Western mind, called it "forest television"....however, it's more than that, it's truly the inner eye, as well as the outer eye simultaneously.
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&lt;br/&gt;To call any of the DNA "junk" is completely crazy.  The documentary said that in order to understand how aging and dying functions, scientists were looking at that 2% that was protein based as there was a chain of protein sequence that seemed to have a missing link.
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&lt;br/&gt;It did not occurr to them, that the "missing link" of the sequence, rather than being missing, might be akin to the blank card in a deck of cards, that it may indeed reside in the rest of the DNA, which if it were junk, I aks why would it constitute most of the DNA....hmmmm.....must serve some very important needs.
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&lt;br/&gt;Why then, do shamans not physically live forever, sinc ethey have insight into the biophotonic properties of DNA and the properties of sacred plants, plant teachers and healing remedies.....
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&lt;br/&gt;Perhaps, they too, believe that physical death is an inevitable thing, or a necessity...perhaps their connection with this state of acceptance that I myself experienced is so strong, they see no need to physcally live forever.  All matter is variance of vibrational frequencies....sacred sound, is not just a romantic notion, but a truly healing, rejuvinative wisdom.  Here's an excerpt from the paper below that is fascinating.
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&lt;br/&gt;&gt;the Russians enthusiastically created devices 
&lt;br/&gt;&gt; that influence cellular metabolism through modulated radio and light 
&lt;br/&gt;&gt; frequencies, thus repairing genetic defects. 
&lt;br/&gt;&gt; They even captured information patterns of a particular DNA and 
&lt;br/&gt;&gt; transmitted it onto another, thus reprogramming cells to another 
&lt;br/&gt;&gt; genome.
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&lt;br/&gt;The article also confirms that spoken suggestion alters cells....thus confirming that the work I do with adjusting people's beliefs and affirming their cellular health and intelligence etc. works!
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&lt;br/&gt;A woman came to me with a rash on her hands that would not go away.  She had been given a cortisone cream.  After an hour and a half session with me, the rash completely disappeared.  While she was in hypnosis, I had suggested to the cells of her hands that they were receiving fresh oxygen and bathed in golden white light and had no need of protecing themselves anymore, that they could release the warning signal as the path was clear....and some other suggestions too.  The cause of the rash was a reaction to a new shampoo, an allergy.  It had covered her hands for two weeks.  The rash was a warning not to use that substance....and even after she had stopped using it, it stayed becuase the cellular memory was holding onto the trauma, the warning signal system.  I thanked it for warning her, honoring the rash for it's purpose having been fulfilled and let it know that it could safely leave her hands now (it was very itchy) that her hands were filled with love....
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&lt;br/&gt;Anyway, like magic (the word magic, comes from magus....wise...hence magi, wiseman) the rash listened and left.  The lady was amazed!
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&lt;br/&gt;I can tell many more real case histories such as this...the point being that  cells are intelligent and respond to suggestions.  Language is a very, very  important componant of our health.  Both our internal language and our external (what comes out from our mouths, our vibrations and our behavior)....all affects us and others.
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&lt;br/&gt;Language, as in spoken word has  become a promiscuous meaningless thing  in society at large in the West, stripped of it's original intent to truly communicate and connect.  Language, etymologycally comes from the idea of  tongue, as in lingua, lingus, etc.  It's a muscle in our mouth that can connect to the impulses of our brain, hormones, organs, and yes our cells....here's my hypnothesis:  mind/spirit/body, is connected to superconsciousness via trance by a person who is vibrationally clear or unhampered, the tongue responds to the stimulous of those DNA where biophotons and extrasensory perception live.  Hence, they transmit, or are medium to the source.  It does not necessarily even require a deep trance, but simply a tuning in.  I've had clairvoyant and clair audient experiences simply in being very present, no trance at all.  I'm kind of in the bridge between dimensions realm in any case, so it sort of just happens.  I've finally just accepted that it's there and stopped trying to underplay it.  Telekenisis, I've experienced too....also all kinds of awake visions of beings, words, insights, odd happenings with electrical equipment, magnets, metal, and so on.  I've worked with DNA for healing purposes using physical matter such as hair samples and also through photographs and just holding images in mind's eye, bathing them in light, or setting an intention and letting it play the vision for me (being witness)...I want very much to become completely immersed in this sort of work. It is of huge significance to the the evolution of consciousness to recognise that huge part of ourselves that for the most part is looked upon as unusual, specious or strange, though almost EVERYONE has had some degree of experience with synchronicity, telepathy, pre-cognition, deja vu etc.
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&lt;br/&gt;(re:  the formal sounding terminology super consciousness, however it serves the purpose of what I mean for now....will have to come up with one of my own sometime...I do like the way Cayce referred to it...i.e. Akashic record yet, I think there is something even more euphonically and etymologically accurate to be found) 
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&lt;br/&gt;Back to the discussion of immortality on a physical level...it may well be that the secret, or fountain of eternal youth, lies within us in our very DNA, if we would only awaken to it.
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&lt;br/&gt;Physician heal thyself.....and....as Jeremy Narby suggests, DNA itself, or the double helix serpent may indeed be the sacred alphabet.  The root sa- means wise...as in sagacious, savante, etc.  Serpent is derived from the root sa and so truly, the serpent is a representation of wisdom.  Narby proposes that the serpent is symbolic (an perhaps an extension) of DNA itself. ( Interesting that little serpents...i.e. worms feed upon decaying matter, is it not?)  In QUantum physics, wave form that manifests matter, is a wriggly thing, just like the forma nd motion of a snake in fact.  The Crack in the Cosmic Egg: New Constructs of Mind and Reality by Joseph Chilton Pearce also presents this interface of ancient wisdom and quantum physics and refers to this similarity of waveform and serpent. 
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&lt;br/&gt;All the indiginous cultures of the world and most ancient sacred systems point to the serpent as the spark of matter....and the imagination of matter is inherantly accepted.  
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&lt;br/&gt;Conclusion:  Yes, I believe it entirely within the realm of possibility that we can physically live forever (or at least hundreds of years) if our vibrations, thoughts, emotions, intake of nutrients, spirit and organs are all treated sacredly and if we get to know ourselves, more than superficially.
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&lt;br/&gt;Know thyself.  Could there be any wiser words.  Perhaps this is what the serpent swallowing it's own tail is really saying.
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&lt;br/&gt;I believe so.  As you believe, so it is.  But ones actions need to match ones beliefs otherwise the beliefs are illusory.
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&lt;br/&gt;So, living faith is what I truly mean.
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&lt;br/&gt;To be continued....love to you all,
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&lt;br/&gt;Isabelle S. Trimble
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&lt;br/&gt;P.S.  Above essay, copywritten today,  Feb. 7 '05
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&lt;br/&gt;Please do not reproduce without permission of author.  Thanks!  
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&lt;br/&gt;Below is the article sent today for you all to read. Also this URL is sort of interesting...talks about consciousness as a dream wave and as a manifestational vibration- http://www.geocities.com/iona_m/Chaosophy/chaosophy8.html
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&lt;br/&gt;Explain Human 
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&lt;br/&gt;'Paranormal' Events 
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&lt;br/&gt; Esoteric and spiritual teachers have known for ages that our body is 
&lt;br/&gt; programmable by language, words and thought. This has now been 
&lt;br/&gt; scientifically proven and explained. 
&lt;br/&gt; The human DNA is a biological Internet and superior in many aspects 
&lt;br/&gt; to the artificial one. The latest Russian scientific research 
&lt;br/&gt; directly or indirectly explains phenomena such as clairvoyance, 
&lt;br/&gt; intuition, spontaneous and remote acts of healing, self healing, 
&lt;br/&gt; affirmation techniques, unusual light/auras around people (namely 
&lt;br/&gt; spiritual masters), mindâ¬"s influence on weather patterns and much 
&lt;br/&gt; more. 
&lt;br/&gt; In addition, there is evidence for a whole new type of medicine in 
&lt;br/&gt; which DNA can be influenced and reprogrammed by words and frequencies 
&lt;br/&gt; WITHOUT cutting out and replacing single genes. Only 10% of our DNA 
&lt;br/&gt; is being used for building proteins. It is this subset of DNA that is 
&lt;br/&gt; of interest to western researchers and is being examined and 
&lt;br/&gt; categorized. The other 90% are considered "junk DNA." 
&lt;br/&gt; The Russian researchers, however, convinced that nature was not dumb, 
&lt;br/&gt; joined linguists and geneticists in a venture to explore that 90% 
&lt;br/&gt; of "junk DNA." Their results, findings and conclusions are simply 
&lt;br/&gt; revolutionary! 
&lt;br/&gt; According to there findings, our DNA is not only responsible for the 
&lt;br/&gt; construction of our body but also serves as data storage and 
&lt;br/&gt; communication. The Russian linguists found that the genetic code - 
&lt;br/&gt; especially in the apparent "useless" 90% - follows the same rules as 
&lt;br/&gt; all our human languages. 
&lt;br/&gt; To this end they compared the rules of syntax (the way in which words 
&lt;br/&gt; are put together to form phrases and sentences), semantics (the study 
&lt;br/&gt; of meaning in language forms) and the basic rules of grammar. They 
&lt;br/&gt; found that the alkalines of our DNA follow a regular grammar and do 
&lt;br/&gt; have set rules just like our languages. Therefore, human languages 
&lt;br/&gt; did not appear coincidentally but are a reflection of our inherent 
&lt;br/&gt; DNA. 
&lt;br/&gt; The Russian biophysicist and molecular biologist Pjotr Garjajev and 
&lt;br/&gt; his colleagues also explored the vibrational behavior of DNA. In 
&lt;br/&gt; brief the bottom line was: "Living chromosomes function just like a 
&lt;br/&gt; holographic computer using endogenous DNA laser radiation." This 
&lt;br/&gt; means that they managed, for example, to modulate certain frequency 
&lt;br/&gt; patterns (sound) onto a laser-like ray which influenced DNA frequency 
&lt;br/&gt; and thus the genetic information itself. 
&lt;br/&gt; Since the basic structure of DNA-alkaline pairs and of language (as 
&lt;br/&gt; explained earlier) is of the same structure, no DNA decoding is 
&lt;br/&gt; necessary. One can simply use words and sentences of the human 
&lt;br/&gt; language! This, too, was experimentally proven! 
&lt;br/&gt; Living DNA substance (in living tissue, not in vitro) will always 
&lt;br/&gt; react to language-modulated laser rays and even to radio waves, if 
&lt;br/&gt; the proper frequencies (sound) are being used. This finally and 
&lt;br/&gt; scientifically explains why affirmations, hypnosis and the like can 
&lt;br/&gt; have such strong effects on humans and their bodies. It is entirely 
&lt;br/&gt; normal and natural for our DNA to react to language. 
&lt;br/&gt; While western researchers cut single genes from DNA strands and 
&lt;br/&gt; insert them elsewhere, the Russians enthusiastically created devices 
&lt;br/&gt; that influence cellular metabolism through modulated radio and light 
&lt;br/&gt; frequencies, thus repairing genetic defects. 
&lt;br/&gt; They even captured information patterns of a particular DNA and 
&lt;br/&gt; transmitted it onto another, thus reprogramming cells to another 
&lt;br/&gt; genome. So they successfully transformed, for example, frog embryos 
&lt;br/&gt; to salamander embryos simply by transmitting the DNA information 
&lt;br/&gt; patterns! This way the entire information was transmitted without any 
&lt;br/&gt; of the side effects or disharmonies encountered when cutting out and 
&lt;br/&gt; re-introducing single genes from the DNA. 
&lt;br/&gt; This represents an unbelievable, world-transforming revolution and 
&lt;br/&gt; sensation: by simply applying vibration (sound frequencies) and 
&lt;br/&gt; language instead of the archaic cutting-out procedure! 
&lt;br/&gt; This experiment points to the immense power of wave genetics, which 
&lt;br/&gt; obviously has a greater influence on the formation of organisms than 
&lt;br/&gt; the biochemical processes of alkaline sequences. 
&lt;br/&gt; Esoteric and spiritual teachers have known for ages that our body is 
&lt;br/&gt; programmable by language, words and thought. This has now been 
&lt;br/&gt; scientifically proven and explained. 
&lt;br/&gt; Of course the frequency has to be correct. And this is why not 
&lt;br/&gt; everybody is equally successful or can do it with always the same 
&lt;br/&gt; strength. The individual person must work on the inner processes and 
&lt;br/&gt; development in order to establish a conscious communication with the 
&lt;br/&gt; DNA. 
&lt;br/&gt; The Russian researchers work on a method that is not dependent on 
&lt;br/&gt; these factors but will ALWAYS work, provided one uses the correct 
&lt;br/&gt; frequency. But the higher developed an individual's consciousness is, 
&lt;br/&gt; the less need is there for any type of device: one can achieve these 
&lt;br/&gt; results by oneself. Science will finally stop laughing at such ideas 
&lt;br/&gt; and will confirm and explain the results. And it doesn't end there. 
&lt;br/&gt;The Russian scientists also found out that our DNA can cause 
&lt;br/&gt; disturbing patterns in a vacuum, thus producing magnetized wormholes! 
&lt;br/&gt; Wormholes are the microscopic equivalents of the so-called Einstein- 
&lt;br/&gt; Rosen bridges in the vicinity of black holes (left by burned-out 
&lt;br/&gt; stars). 
&lt;br/&gt; These are tunnel connections between entirely different areas in the 
&lt;br/&gt; universe through which information can be transmitted outside of 
&lt;br/&gt; space and time. The DNA attracts these bits of information and passes 
&lt;br/&gt; them on to our consciousness. This process of hyper-communication 
&lt;br/&gt; (telepathy, channeling) is most effective in a state of relaxation. 
&lt;br/&gt; Stress, worry or a hyperactive intellect prevent successful hyper- 
&lt;br/&gt; communication or the information will be totally distorted and 
&lt;br/&gt; useless. In nature, hyper-communication has been successfully applied 
&lt;br/&gt; for millions of years. The organized flow of life in insects proves 
&lt;br/&gt; this dramatically. Modern man knows it only on a much more subtle 
&lt;br/&gt; level as "intuition." But we, too, can regain full use of it. 
&lt;br/&gt;As an example from nature, when a queen ant is separated from her 
&lt;br/&gt; colony, the remaining worker ants will continue building fervently 
&lt;br/&gt; according to plan. However, if the queen is killed, all work in the 
&lt;br/&gt; colony stops. No ant will know what to do. Apparently, the queen 
&lt;br/&gt; transmits the "building plans" even if far away - via the group 
&lt;br/&gt; consciousness with her subjects. She can be as far away as she wants, 
&lt;br/&gt; as long as she is alive.In humans, hyper-communication is most often encountered when one 
&lt;br/&gt; suddenly gains access to information that is outside one's knowledge 
&lt;br/&gt; base. Such hyper-communication is then experienced as inspiration or 
&lt;br/&gt; intuition (also in trance channeling). The Italian composer Giuseppe 
&lt;br/&gt; Tartini, for instance, dreamt one night that a devil sat at his 
&lt;br/&gt; bedside playing the violin. The next morning Tartini was able to note 
&lt;br/&gt; down the piece exactly from memory. He called it the Devil's Trill 
&lt;br/&gt; Sonata. 
&lt;br/&gt; For years, a 42-year old male nurse dreamt of a situation in which he 
&lt;br/&gt; was hooked up to a kind of knowledge CD-ROM. Verifiable knowledge 
&lt;br/&gt; from all imaginable fields was then transmitted to him that he was 
&lt;br/&gt; able to recall in the morning. There was such a flood of information 
&lt;br/&gt; that it seemed a whole encyclopedia was transmitted at night. The 
&lt;br/&gt; majorities of facts were outside his personal knowledge base and 
&lt;br/&gt; reached technical details of which he knew absolutely nothing. When 
&lt;br/&gt; hyper-communication occurs, one can observe in the DNA, as well as in 
&lt;br/&gt; the human, supernatural phenomena. 
&lt;br/&gt;The Russian scientists irradiated DNA samples with laser light. On 
&lt;br/&gt; screen, a typical wave pattern was formed. When they removed the DNA 
&lt;br/&gt; sample, the wave pattern did not disappear, it remained. Many 
&lt;br/&gt; controlled experiments showed that the pattern continued to come from 
&lt;br/&gt; the removed sample, whose energy field apparently remained by itself. 
&lt;br/&gt; This effect is now called phantom DNA effect. It is surmised that 
&lt;br/&gt; energy from outside of space and time still flows through the 
&lt;br/&gt; activated wormholes after the DNA was removed. The side effects 
&lt;br/&gt; encountered most often in hyper-communication in humans are 
&lt;br/&gt; inexplicable electromagnetic fields in the vicinity of the persons 
&lt;br/&gt; concerned. 
&lt;br/&gt; Electronic devices like CD players and the like can be irritated and 
&lt;br/&gt; cease to function for hours. When the electromagnetic field slowly 
&lt;br/&gt; dissipates, the devices function normally again. Many healers and 
&lt;br/&gt; psychics know this effect from their work: the better the atmosphere 
&lt;br/&gt; and energy, the more frustrating it can be for recording devices as 
&lt;br/&gt; they stop functioning at that exact moment. Often by next morning all 
&lt;br/&gt; is back to normal. 
&lt;br/&gt; Perhaps this is reassuring to read for many, as it has nothing to do 
&lt;br/&gt; with them being technically inept; it means they are good at hyper- 
&lt;br/&gt; communication. 
&lt;br/&gt; In their book Vernetzte Intelligenz, Grazyna Gosar and Franz Bludorf 
&lt;br/&gt; explain these connections precisely and clearly. The authors also 
&lt;br/&gt; quote sources presuming that in earlier times humanity had been just 
&lt;br/&gt; like the animals: very strongly connected to group consciousness and 
&lt;br/&gt; thereby acted as a group. In order to develop and experience 
&lt;br/&gt; individuality, however, we humans had to forget hyper-communication 
&lt;br/&gt; almost completely. 
&lt;br/&gt;Now that we are fairly stable in our individual consciousness, we can 
&lt;br/&gt; create a new form of group consciousness - namely one in which we 
&lt;br/&gt; attain access to all information via our DNA without being forced or 
&lt;br/&gt; remotely controlled about what to do with that information. We now 
&lt;br/&gt; know that just as we use the internet, our DNA can feed proper data 
&lt;br/&gt; into the network, can retrieve data from the network, and can 
&lt;br/&gt; establish contact with other participants in the network. Remote 
&lt;br/&gt; healing, telepathy or "remote sensing" about the state of another can 
&lt;br/&gt; thus be explained. Some animals know from afar when their owners plan 
&lt;br/&gt; to return home. This can be freshly interpreted and explained via the 
&lt;br/&gt; concepts of group consciousness and hyper-communication. 
&lt;br/&gt; Any collective consciousness cannot be sensibly used over any period 
&lt;br/&gt; of time without a distinctive individuality; otherwise we would 
&lt;br/&gt; revert to a primitive herd instinct that is easily manipulated. Hyper- 
&lt;br/&gt; communication in the new millennium means something quite different. 
&lt;br/&gt;Researchers think that if humans with full individuality would regain 
&lt;br/&gt; group consciousness, they would have a god-like power to create, 
&lt;br/&gt; alter and shape things on Earth! AND humanity is collectively moving 
&lt;br/&gt; toward such a group consciousness of the new kind. 
&lt;br/&gt;Fifty percent of children will become a problem as soon as they go to 
&lt;br/&gt; school, since the system lumps everyone together and demands 
&lt;br/&gt; adjustment. But the individuality of today's children is so strong 
&lt;br/&gt; that they refuse this adjustment and resist giving up their 
&lt;br/&gt; idiosyncrasies in the most diverse ways.At the same time more and more clairvoyant children are born. 
&lt;br/&gt; Something in those children is striving more towards the group 
&lt;br/&gt; consciousness of the new kind, and it can no longer be suppressed. 
&lt;br/&gt; As a rule, weather for example is rather difficult to influence by a 
&lt;br/&gt; single individual. But it may be influenced by group consciousness 
&lt;br/&gt; (nothing new about this to some indigenous tribes). Weather is 
&lt;br/&gt; strongly influenced by Earth resonance frequencies (Schumann 
&lt;br/&gt; frequencies). But those same frequencies are also produced in our 
&lt;br/&gt; brains, and when many people synchronize their thinking or when 
&lt;br/&gt; individuals (spiritual masters, for instance) focus their thoughts in 
&lt;br/&gt; a laser-like fashion, then it is not at all surprising that they can 
&lt;br/&gt; influence the weather.A modern day civilization which develops group consciousness would 
&lt;br/&gt; have neither environmental problems nor scarcity of energy: for if it 
&lt;br/&gt; were to use such mental powers as a unified civilization, it would 
&lt;br/&gt; have control of the energies of its home planet as a natural 
&lt;br/&gt; consequence. 
&lt;br/&gt;When a great number of people become unified with higher intention as 
&lt;br/&gt; in meditating on peace - potentials of violence also dissolve. 
&lt;br/&gt; Apparently, DNA is also an organic superconductor that can work at 
&lt;br/&gt; normal body temperature, as opposed to artificial superconductors 
&lt;br/&gt; which require extremely low temperatures between 200 and 140Â°C to 
&lt;br/&gt; function. In addition, all superconductors are able to store light 
&lt;br/&gt; and thus information. This further explains how DNA can store 
&lt;br/&gt; information.There is another phenomenon linked to DNA and wormholes. Normally, 
&lt;br/&gt; these super-small wormholes are highly unstable and are maintained 
&lt;br/&gt; only for the tiniest fractions of a second. Under certain conditions 
&lt;br/&gt; stable wormholes can organize themselves, which then form distinctive 
&lt;br/&gt; vacuum domains in which for example, gravity can transform into 
&lt;br/&gt; electricity. Vacuum domains are self-radiant balls of ionized gas 
&lt;br/&gt; that contain considerable amounts of energy. There are regions in 
&lt;br/&gt; Russia where such radiant balls appear very often. 
&lt;br/&gt; Following the ensuing confusion the Russians started massive research 
&lt;br/&gt; programs leading finally to some of the discoveries mentions above. 
&lt;br/&gt; Many people know vacuum domains as shiny balls in the sky. The 
&lt;br/&gt; attentive look at them in wonder and ask themselves, what they could 
&lt;br/&gt; be. 
&lt;br/&gt; I thought once: "Hello up there. If you happen to be a UFO, fly in a 
&lt;br/&gt; triangle." And suddenly, the light balls moved in a triangle. Or they 
&lt;br/&gt; shot across the sky like ice hockey pucks: they accelerated from zero 
&lt;br/&gt; to crazy speeds while sliding silently across the sky. One is left 
&lt;br/&gt; gawking and I have, as many others, too, thought them to be UFOs. 
&lt;br/&gt; Friendly ones, apparently, as they flew in triangles just to please 
&lt;br/&gt; me. 
&lt;br/&gt; Now, the Russians found - in the regions where vacuum domains often 
&lt;br/&gt; appear - that sometimes fly as balls of light from the ground upwards 
&lt;br/&gt; into the sky, and that these balls can be guided by thought. Since 
&lt;br/&gt; then it has been found that vacuum domains emit waves of low 
&lt;br/&gt; frequency that are also produced in our brains and because of this 
&lt;br/&gt; similarity of waves they are able to react to our thoughts. To run 
&lt;br/&gt; excitedly into one that is on ground level might not be such a great 
&lt;br/&gt; idea, because those balls of light can contain immense energies and 
&lt;br/&gt; are capable of mutating our genes. 
&lt;br/&gt; Many spiritual teachers also produce such visible balls or columns of 
&lt;br/&gt; light in deep meditation or during energy work, which trigger 
&lt;br/&gt; decidedly pleasant feelings and do not cause any harm. Apparently 
&lt;br/&gt; this is also dependent on some inner order, quality and origin of the 
&lt;br/&gt; vacuum domain. There are some spiritual teachers, like the young 
&lt;br/&gt; Englishman Ananda, for example, with whom nothing is seen at first, 
&lt;br/&gt; but when one tries to take a photograph while they sit and speak or 
&lt;br/&gt; meditate in hyper-communication, one gets only a picture of a white 
&lt;br/&gt; cloud on a chair. 
&lt;br/&gt;In certain Earth healing projects, such light effects also appear on 
&lt;br/&gt; photographs. Simply put, this phenomena has to do with gravity and 
&lt;br/&gt; anti-gravity forces that are ever more stable forms of wormholes and 
&lt;br/&gt; displays of hyper-communication with energies from outside our time 
&lt;br/&gt; and space structure. Earlier generations that experienced such hyper- 
&lt;br/&gt; communication and visible vacuum domains were convinced that an angel 
&lt;br/&gt; had appeared before them: and we cannot be too sure to what forms of 
&lt;br/&gt; consciousness we can get access when using hyper-communication. 
&lt;br/&gt; Not having scientific proof for their actual existence, people having 
&lt;br/&gt; had such experiences do NOT all suffer from hallucinations. We have 
&lt;br/&gt; simply made another giant step towards understanding our reality. 
&lt;br/&gt;Official science also knows of gravity anomalies on Earth that 
&lt;br/&gt; contribute to the formation of vacuum domains. Recently gravity 
&lt;br/&gt; anomalies have been found in Rocca di Papa, south of Rome. 
&lt;br/&gt; ........... 
&lt;br/&gt; The full article can be viewed - in English - on the Kontext website 
&lt;br/&gt;http://www.fosar-bludorf.com/index_eng.htm 
&lt;br/&gt; All information is from the book "Vernetzte Intelligenz" von Grazyna 
&lt;br/&gt; Fosar und Franz Bludorf, ISBN 3930243237, summarized and commented by 
&lt;br/&gt; Baerbel. The book is unfortunately only available in German so far. 
&lt;br/&gt; You can reach the authors here: 
&lt;br/&gt; Kontext - Forum for Border Science 
&lt;br/&gt;http://www.fosar-bludorf.com 
&lt;br/&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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    <dc:date>2005-02-08T04:51:06Z</dc:date>
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  <entry>
    <title>Goethe's talkin'...listen !</title>
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    <author>
      <name>lovol</name>
    </author>
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    <updated>2006-04-29T05:38:01Z</updated>
    <published>2005-04-22T08:13:29Z</published>
    <summary type="html">&lt;div&gt;«Life is the childhood of our immortality.»
&lt;br/&gt;Goethe...
&lt;br/&gt;
&lt;br/&gt;What does this quote bring to mind...?
&lt;br/&gt;
&lt;br/&gt;On the subject of immortality...
&lt;br/&gt;
&lt;br/&gt;Does it necessary implie that we absolutely need to live and die in this life to activate the principalites of our immortality...
&lt;br/&gt;
&lt;br/&gt;Is Immortality...something we posses...or is it something that we need to demand...to an other entity...?
&lt;br/&gt;
&lt;br/&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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    <dc:date>2005-04-22T08:13:29Z</dc:date>
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  <entry>
    <title>Bhagavag-Gita 2nd chapter and the immortal soul</title>
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    <author>
      <name>NityanandaRam</name>
    </author>
    <id>http://immortalitymortality.tribe.net/thread/ae7ab83b-ccce-4a2d-9d36-2a8a7be35289</id>
    <updated>2006-04-06T10:14:08Z</updated>
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    <summary type="html">&lt;div&gt;BG 2.12: Never was there a time when I did not exist, nor you, nor all these kings; nor in the future shall any of us cease to be.
&lt;br/&gt;
&lt;br/&gt;BG 2.13: As the embodied soul continuously passes, in this body, from boyhood to youth to old age, the soul similarly passes into another body at death. A sober person is not bewildered by such a change.
&lt;br/&gt;
&lt;br/&gt;BG 2.16: Those who are seers of the truth have concluded that of the nonexistent [the material body] there is no endurance and of the eternal [the soul] there is no change. This they have concluded by studying the nature of both.
&lt;br/&gt;
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&lt;br/&gt;BG 2.17: That which pervades the entire body you should know to be indestructible. No one is able to destroy that imperishable soul.
&lt;br/&gt;
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&lt;br/&gt;BG 2.20: For the soul there is neither birth nor death at any time. He has not come into being, does not come into being, and will not come into being. He is unborn, eternal, ever-existing and primeval. He is not slain when the body is slain.
&lt;br/&gt;
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&lt;br/&gt;BG 2.22: As a person puts on new garments, giving up old ones, the soul similarly accepts new material bodies, giving up the old and useless ones.
&lt;br/&gt;
&lt;br/&gt;BG 2.23: The soul can never be cut to pieces by any weapon, nor burned by fire, nor moistened by water, nor withered by the wind.
&lt;br/&gt;
&lt;br/&gt;BG 2.24: This individual soul is unbreakable and insoluble, and can be neither burned nor dried. He is everlasting, present everywhere, unchangeable, immovable and eternally the same.
&lt;br/&gt;
&lt;br/&gt;BG 2.25: It is said that the soul is invisible, inconceivable and immutable. Knowing this, you should not grieve for the body.
&lt;br/&gt;
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&lt;br/&gt;BG 2.30: O descendant of Bharata, he who dwells in the body can never be slain. Therefore you need not grieve for any living being.
&lt;br/&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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  <entry>
    <title>Deep ?'s on Music and it's consequences in the living realm...</title>
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    <author>
      <name>lovol</name>
    </author>
    <id>http://immortalitymortality.tribe.net/thread/ff64de72-33d6-4e2f-94a7-fe7c3f5453de</id>
    <updated>2006-04-03T07:21:47Z</updated>
    <published>2004-12-30T18:07:24Z</published>
    <summary type="html">&lt;div&gt;As a musician I very often asked my self about this concern:
&lt;br/&gt;How can a human being justify himself of producing sounds that are supposed to be harmonious and be a prolongation of the creation (the universe)...How and why will he dare to put his creation in a overlaping state...and many times not think about the consequences...
&lt;br/&gt;
&lt;br/&gt;Scientifically speaking, the creation of universe was made by a genius supra consciousness that understood the wide palettes of frequencies...(color and musical notes, and even beyound, of course)...
&lt;br/&gt;
&lt;br/&gt;knowing all of this, I think music should be taken seriously and be produced only with sacred purposes...of healing or revealing the core of creation, how it is made and how we relate to it in harmony, underlying our deep interconnectedness...Singing will cure more than any medecinal beliefs etc...
&lt;br/&gt;
&lt;br/&gt;So this is my question...
&lt;br/&gt;I beleive in total liberty and freedom of act...I will never be an oppanant of whatsoever...I have observed life in many angles...
&lt;br/&gt;But how can we be certain of the quality and intentionnalities behind a musical composition... Does some style of music help men undertand their human condition more than others...And wich of those music will lead man to redemption and eternal life, if we consider music as a paradigm of life that seeks to correct it's anomalities and faults until perfection...
&lt;br/&gt;
&lt;br/&gt;Does J-S Bach, J.Hendrix and The Beatles had a common uncouscious goal...Is their music more spiritual than satanic music...Does Satanic music heal the world or leads it to total destruction...! And what can we say of Natives and old ancient music that we never heard of because we don't have any recording of it !
&lt;br/&gt;
&lt;br/&gt;The recent tsunami showed us how a eruption of volcano or earthquake can producer massive damage thru a Tsunami (waves)...Then depending on the source of the Music, wich are waves too, can some music produce brain or soul damage in the same way a Tsunami  does...Or can music heal ? If it is aimed that way !
&lt;br/&gt;
&lt;br/&gt;I personnally I'm writting on the subject since my 18 year's old...I have come to many conclusion, but I'm curious to hear from other about this incredible subject...
&lt;br/&gt;
&lt;br/&gt;I can't wait to hear from all of you...
&lt;br/&gt;
&lt;br/&gt;
&lt;br/&gt;(deep pensée for all the people who have died in the recent Tsunamie in Asia)&lt;/div&gt;
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    <dc:date>2004-12-30T18:07:24Z</dc:date>
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  <entry>
    <title>We have decided not to die</title>
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    <author>
      <name>bellaT</name>
    </author>
    <id>http://immortalitymortality.tribe.net/thread/86cdb392-1c89-4f1d-b167-59034ef83565</id>
    <updated>2006-03-18T22:06:17Z</updated>
    <published>2006-03-18T07:20:30Z</published>
    <summary type="html">&lt;div&gt;Go to url below -  work by the director Daniel Askil. The piece entitled "We have decided not to die" is kind of modernist minimalist cosmic:   www.radicalmedia.com/reels/reel.php&lt;/div&gt;
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    <dc:date>2006-03-18T07:20:30Z</dc:date>
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  <entry>
    <title>Dialogues with mortality via Damien Hirst's art</title>
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    <author>
      <name>bellaT</name>
    </author>
    <id>http://immortalitymortality.tribe.net/thread/448dad77-7809-47e0-8b96-795f18d98797</id>
    <updated>2006-03-16T20:05:06Z</updated>
    <published>2006-03-14T05:22:37Z</published>
    <summary type="html">&lt;div&gt;Most of Hirst's work addresses mortality and the general denial that society and the individual is in.  This comes not in a condemnatory tone as much as it does in a thought provoking juxtaposition (argh!  pretentious sounding word but it's useful here!) of decaying elements with philosophical titles relating to death, such as the famous shark in formaldehyde piece that got the whole art world in an uproar.  The title was " The impossiblity of death in the memory of one still living remembering a beloved" or something like that.  I'll get it exactly right soon.
&lt;br/&gt;
&lt;br/&gt;Other of his pieces included a cow's decaying head with maggots and flys emerging from it.  I met Damien in NYC when he was at the peak of the hooplah around him.  He liked my cartoons and published some of them in an art mag called "The pig" issued out of a gallery.  He was larger than life and burned the candle at both ends with booze in those days.  When he laughed he laughed and for some reason he thought my morbid, peculiar doodles very funny!  I'll never forget him laughing from his belly as he looked at one of them that he had ripped from my hand at a party ( I had been doodling them in the corner in an exhausted state from a day of non-stop gallery and party hopping....as was my life composed of at that particular time!)
&lt;br/&gt;
&lt;br/&gt;Anyway, I've been thinking lately about his assertion that there is something incomprehensible about death that most of us feel.  The decomposing aspect for one thing.  We don't want or like to think about that and we don't deal all that well with departure of loved ones.  It shocks us.  We are attached to life and the more we live, the more attached we seem to become and the less prepared for the inevitabe which we delay as long as possible.  Unless we come from a culture that incorporates this thing called death into our existence in a somehow cohesive way that eases us into it more gently.
&lt;br/&gt;
&lt;br/&gt;The impossiblity of death in the mind of someone living when remembereing a beloved one....this idea haunts me and I do dread the possiblity of it occurring.  I sometimes think I would die of sorrow if one of my most cherished beloveds were to pass on.  Even with all my abilities in meditation and hypnotherapy, the very contemplation of this kind of event chills me to the bone and puts an ice pick in my heart!  
&lt;br/&gt;
&lt;br/&gt;God....oh God.....
&lt;br/&gt;
&lt;br/&gt;Push those days far, far away......
&lt;br/&gt;
&lt;br/&gt;Seems to be my only solace.  I had better find a way to cope for from where I stand it doesn't look like I will be able to.
&lt;br/&gt;
&lt;br/&gt;Anyone else feel this way?&lt;/div&gt;
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  <entry>
    <title>Here it is folks...</title>
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    <author>
      <name>lovol</name>
    </author>
    <id>http://immortalitymortality.tribe.net/thread/ac2b3d49-9478-439e-8bfe-88d0c45f7b96</id>
    <updated>2006-03-14T15:58:16Z</updated>
    <published>2005-08-30T15:28:27Z</published>
    <summary type="html">&lt;div&gt;A SHORT GUIDE TO COMPARITIVE RELIGIONS:
&lt;br/&gt;
&lt;br/&gt;Taoism: Shit happens.
&lt;br/&gt;
&lt;br/&gt;Buddhism: If shit happens its not really shit.
&lt;br/&gt;
&lt;br/&gt;Islam: If shit happens it is the will of Allah.
&lt;br/&gt;
&lt;br/&gt;Protestantism: Shit happens because you don't work hard enough.
&lt;br/&gt;
&lt;br/&gt;Judaism: Why does this shit always happen to us?
&lt;br/&gt;
&lt;br/&gt;Hinduism: This shit happened before.
&lt;br/&gt;
&lt;br/&gt;Catholicism: Shit happens because you are born bad.
&lt;br/&gt;
&lt;br/&gt;Hare Krishna; Shit happens Rama Rama.
&lt;br/&gt;
&lt;br/&gt;T.V. Evangelism: Send more shit. We need more shit or we are going to close.
&lt;br/&gt;Children in Africa are going to die because you didn't give a shit.
&lt;br/&gt;
&lt;br/&gt;Atheism: NO SHIT!
&lt;br/&gt;
&lt;br/&gt;Jehovah's Witness: Knock Knock... Shit happens.
&lt;br/&gt;
&lt;br/&gt;Hedonism:There is nothing like a good shit.
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&lt;br/&gt;Christian Science: Shit happens in your mind.
&lt;br/&gt;
&lt;br/&gt;Agnosticism: Maybe shit happens - maybe it doesn't.
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&lt;br/&gt;Existentialism: What is shit anyway?
&lt;br/&gt;
&lt;br/&gt;Stoicism: This shit doesn't bother me.
&lt;br/&gt;
&lt;br/&gt;Rastafarianism: Let's smoke this shit.
&lt;br/&gt;
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&lt;br/&gt;Let's laugh eternally...&lt;/div&gt;
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  <entry>
    <title>One Love each lifetime Relish</title>
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    <author>
      <name>1Sabeau_Bella1</name>
    </author>
    <id>http://immortalitymortality.tribe.net/thread/45fb5a4f-ccba-442a-ac1d-ab8240f97573</id>
    <updated>2005-09-01T01:35:20Z</updated>
    <published>2005-07-23T13:23:28Z</published>
    <summary type="html">&lt;div&gt;Immortality 
&lt;br/&gt;What is the rush I ask you all:) 
&lt;br/&gt;To embide, lust in, debauche so fast? Serial love affairs----do you forget or don't you know---you are immortal---so what is the rush to jam it in all at once 
&lt;br/&gt;in this "lifetime"? 
&lt;br/&gt;
&lt;br/&gt;I know I am ageless 
&lt;br/&gt;I prefer to take my time each time 
&lt;br/&gt;and spend what is called a life time learning 
&lt;br/&gt;just one other so deep that I can say I experienced 
&lt;br/&gt;more than a moment in that moment we call a lifetime 
&lt;br/&gt;
&lt;br/&gt;I choose my partner ST and myself RT for this ride this time.... 
&lt;br/&gt;
&lt;br/&gt;Guess it is just a matter of what your perspective of time is----it is not anything it exists only in this moment of discussion-----so what is the rush to 
&lt;br/&gt;jam it all in this go round. 
&lt;br/&gt;
&lt;br/&gt;Take your time to breathe and enjoy the sights 
&lt;br/&gt;delve deep and when another vision excites log it 
&lt;br/&gt;and know you'll dive in that water next excursion---- 
&lt;br/&gt;with more knowledge and more love to share---next 
&lt;br/&gt;lifetime----100 years from now---look that hotty up 
&lt;br/&gt;and grow old together learning curve full and wide 
&lt;br/&gt;
&lt;br/&gt;Love deep 
&lt;br/&gt;with knowledge there is all the time in the world 
&lt;br/&gt;as it exists not---but your soul knows and will remember 
&lt;br/&gt;immortality 
&lt;br/&gt;take time to love deep not scattered 
&lt;br/&gt;we are all one 
&lt;br/&gt;and with enough lifetimes we all will make love to one another----just marvel at that--- 
&lt;br/&gt;why rush and rot the teeth 
&lt;br/&gt;enjoy each bite with one each time each 100 years 
&lt;br/&gt;each one 
&lt;br/&gt;and relish the depth with knowledge of more fruits 
&lt;br/&gt;to be had in another body in another time in another 
&lt;br/&gt;love in another flavor of existence 
&lt;br/&gt;Still IMmortal 
&lt;br/&gt;Loving the world over in time without it 
&lt;br/&gt;Immortality &lt;/div&gt;
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  <entry>
    <title>a simple thought</title>
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    <author>
      <name>mysticalfilmaker</name>
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    <updated>2005-07-17T06:02:40Z</updated>
    <published>2005-07-12T05:27:55Z</published>
    <summary type="html">&lt;div&gt;If only the end of life wasn't so mortal...&lt;/div&gt;
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  <entry>
    <title>Introduce your immortal selves</title>
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    <author>
      <name>bellaT</name>
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    <summary type="html">&lt;div&gt;Hi seers, stimultors and fellow cosmonauts,
&lt;br/&gt;
&lt;br/&gt;now would be about a good time for introductions methinks!
&lt;br/&gt;
&lt;br/&gt;Anyone who wishes is invited to say a little about themselves, what they are into, do, want to achieve through pursuing discources such as we are having here and anything else you feel is relevant.
&lt;br/&gt;
&lt;br/&gt;I'll start...ahem!  I'm a hypnotherapist and natural intuitive (a subtle way of saying that I'm a "sensitive" with clairvoyance/audience, however, I don't say that as it can scare/intimidate people a bit) for a living.  I also make films, act and paint.  These endeavors are done for love and not from a "career" push place.  All of the arts weave into the central theme of my raison d'etre which is to journey into, bridge, facillitate, invoke, evoke and express realms of consciousness.
&lt;br/&gt;
&lt;br/&gt;The relationship between cosmos and consciousness, body and mind, time and space and immortality, etc, have been lifelong fascinations and explorations.
&lt;br/&gt;
&lt;br/&gt;I've experienced a myriad of what would be called "paranormal" phenomenon  but which I consider the natural and normal.  I hear frequencies, vibrations and other clairaudient transmissions, have seen many kinds of "beings", (form, amorpheous, light, etc.), also time warps, clairvoyance, telpathy, teleportation....to keep listing would sound as if I am a bit nutty, or trying to impress.  I am a medium of sorts but deliberately do not work as one because I am aware of how taken over I could become and I don't want to give my being over to that degree in an indiscriminate way.  
&lt;br/&gt;
&lt;br/&gt;The long and short of it, is that inherant "knowing" along with various communications from "dead" or transitioned or just existing in another dimension (can even be in the "future" or parrallell place) have brought me to do the work I do and to want to arrive at, discover and shed as much light on this subject as possible.  
&lt;br/&gt;
&lt;br/&gt;Perhaps by collectively bringing our minds and souls to these questions, we can shift the so-called "human condition",  from a tragic dilemna to something more marvelous.
&lt;br/&gt;
&lt;br/&gt;Consciousness is so miraculously vast in scope...I want to traverse it as much as possible while in this form and possibly even extend this form beyond what is considered logically possible.
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&lt;br/&gt;Which brings to mind, one of my favorite quotes:
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&lt;br/&gt;"I'm too much of a sceptic to deny the possibilty of anything"  
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&lt;br/&gt;                                                                             - Thomas Huxley&lt;/div&gt;
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    <dc:date>2005-05-08T06:48:04Z</dc:date>
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  <entry>
    <title>Mortality and melancholy</title>
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      <name>bellaT</name>
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    <updated>2005-07-08T04:02:40Z</updated>
    <published>2005-05-29T01:40:03Z</published>
    <summary type="html">&lt;div&gt;Hmmmm.....chicken and egg...would there be melancholy if not for mortality.  Then again, there are a million little deaths that occurr every second, invisibly and perceptably....every feeling eventually changes, or rather dies...but while we exist in form can be revivified by a strain of music, a scent, a picture, a certain way someone looks at you or a word they use or you find yourself saying....burials, and exhumations and ressurections all within our lifetimes.
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&lt;br/&gt;It's one of those melancholy moments right now....listening to Vivaldi and remembering my childhood and the way the sun poured into the living room of our huge old house on the middle floor where the balcony overlooked the sea and me and my sister used to dance around the room to the records and Vivaldi in particular sent our little bodies souring over the morroccon poofs and whirling around in front of the wall sized mirror which reflected the sea and the pier in the background, while our 3 siamese cats lay around or ran about....my sister and me....how eternal were we....or so we thought and our family....or so we thought....how the very house seemed to hum.  Somehow I seem to detect that even then, in the midst of the setting sun, limbs flying, gulls crying that I could feel the slight sting of salt underneath all that beauty.  It was "too" beautiful.  What does that mean?  Too beautiful?  I suppose, it's back to that mortal rub again....exquisitness highlights the moment's temporalness in such an aching way. Even then, I knew that the tooth fairy was only going to be around for my child-hood, how did I know?  Do people still tie string around their teeth and then to a door knob and slam the door, by the way?
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&lt;br/&gt;Hah...and to teeth....in Jungian dream analysis, when one dreams of teeth, one is supposedly dreaming of death.
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&lt;br/&gt;I've always thought that smiling with teeth, had a tad of the skeleton in it.  I suppose that might be why aristocrats in old master paintings, smiled with lips together and still do, as much as possible.  Toothy smiling is thought to be vulgar...perhaps becuase it puts all the old calcium tombstones on display!  
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&lt;br/&gt;Now, I make myself laugh.  What a quixotic creature am I?  Do any of you have these kinds of conversations with life?
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    <title>sexe with LOVE or no love with sexe ? Wich one is immortal !</title>
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      <name>lovol</name>
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    <updated>2005-05-29T02:14:08Z</updated>
    <published>2005-04-24T16:59:47Z</published>
    <summary type="html">&lt;div&gt;What is the relationship between immortality...and our sexual behavior when it is lived with a true felt feeling of love thru our emotional channel...?
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&lt;br/&gt;And
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&lt;br/&gt;What is the relationship between immortality...and our sexual behavior if only these sexual tension are release only for the purpose of pleasure/without any reference to any kind of love...?
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&lt;br/&gt;Wich one will be more succesfull in the end ?
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&lt;br/&gt;I notice lots' of very specific paterns...
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&lt;br/&gt;I'm starting to belive that any relationships between man &amp;amp; woman needs to be 1st based with true love...even friendship...
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&lt;br/&gt;If ever the love between 2 lovers is so strong that it entices them to have sexual intercourse...(possibly to bring an other soul to life )...or not coz...there are true ways to have intercourse without the use of condoms and/or contraceptive pills...without the woman getting pregnant...of course the 2 partners needs to know each other pretty good (healthy as can be helps a lot) to be respectfull and not having other partners to eliminate the risks of sexual disease...(I've always tought that these disease are there only to prove that one has to be loyal in the realm of relationships)
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&lt;br/&gt;But what tdo you think happends if one only takes the pleasure and run...?
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&lt;br/&gt;I'm sure he will have to pay a fee...intergalactic fee for having consumed all of this pleasure with selfishness and no love...
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&lt;br/&gt;That's enough to cause a big commotion in the circle of universe...
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&lt;br/&gt;The centifugal forces of nature...will therefore start the mechanical devices to deal with this deviant soul ? Don't you think ?
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    <title>Saying Goodbye to people</title>
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    <summary type="html">&lt;div&gt;An elderly man I knew casually died yesterday.  He was a cheery fellow, an ex pilot in Nam and amateur director, filmmaker.  H e always wore a khaki suede hat with a bird feather sticking out of it and a rock on the end of a cord around his neck.  His name was Alex and he was just a sweet, up beat kind of person.  I found out he was in the hospital last Thursday with terminable C word.  I didn't know him well, but had helped him out on a short film both in editing and playing a part and though it wasn't a very professionally made film, I enjoyed his spunky attitude and had fun helping.  I had intended to visit him on Monday, but didn't get to it....having to take cats to vet and other life things prevented me from doing so.  I did call him on SUnday though and get to speak to him one last time.  ALl he could say was "yeah" very faintly to everything I said as he was clearly so weak.  His daughter had picked up the hospital phone.  I told him I was thinking of him and that things would get better, that I would visit him and was the following afternoon okay for me to visit him.  I could tell it was hard for him to even think about what I was saying, that he knew he was going.
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&lt;br/&gt;Yesterday, I received an e-mail that he had passed on earlier in the day.  
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&lt;br/&gt;He had one of those lively, eccentric personalities you don't forget.  I didn't see him often and he had a fairly full life, but it still strikes me as sad that people have to suffer so before they go.
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&lt;br/&gt;I felt kind of bad that I didn't keep my word and visit him like I said I would.  That would have been a proper good bye.  I said a prayer yesterday, apologising and sending him appreciation.
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&lt;br/&gt;Then, when I think of the people in my life and how deeply I love them and how connected I feel to them....the thought of saying goodbye on this plain is excruciating.
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&lt;br/&gt;Buddha said the source of all pain is attachment and to detach would bring end to suffering.  Then again, isn't life about making deep connections...it's hard to connect in a detached way, unless you are doing so from the supersoul place.
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&lt;br/&gt;Strangely, when my lovely Grandmother passes away, much as I adored and loved her, I felt only a little sadness.  She had been 97 and died so very gracefully and was so ready.  I felt at peace with her going.  I did go to see her and stroke her dear head and look into her dear, blue eyes and sing the song she taught me when a little girl....
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&lt;br/&gt;Gee, I'm getting emotional about that...
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&lt;br/&gt;Better go now....
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&lt;br/&gt;To be continued...&lt;/div&gt;
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    <title>Article on Cosmic Immortality</title>
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    <updated>2005-05-06T01:44:22Z</updated>
    <published>2005-02-15T04:13:01Z</published>
    <summary type="html">&lt;div&gt;Sapiens Rising: Beyond the Babel Factor - A Manifesto for the Children of the 21st Century 
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&lt;br/&gt;This era of global transition will result in the redesign of the fundamentals of human activity. People and organizations that look for new ways to deal with unprecedented events will be better prepared to survive and prosper. To be part of that group, you must be willing to unleash yourself from the past and be willing to take risks. You must objectively search for novel tools and perspectives .                                                             John Petersen 
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&lt;br/&gt;Part 1
&lt;br/&gt;The Status Quo: Totem and Taboos and You .... and I
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&lt;br/&gt;Our planet, this agonizingly beautiful little planet, is on hold. Seeking relief and release, in a perverse ecology we recycle outmoded, primitive paradigms, shuffling our feathers-and-molasses confusion between hands. In a time when we are required to deal with the politics of non-overlapping alien realities, we are not able to resolve the separations caused by our overlapping intra-species realities. It has rendered us theologically inane, philosophically naive, scientifically cramped, socially isolated, ecologically damaged, politically challenged and intellectually bewildered. 
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&lt;br/&gt;It is clearly evident, after thousands of years of trial and disastrous errors, that the relief and release from our racially adolescent immaturity we seek as individuals and as a planetary species will not come from yet another econopolitical experiment, yet another U.N. negotiated conflict resolution, religious ecumenical conference, new age vision, academic philosophy, imposition of theocracy, new constitutional political format, much less some new twist on the MAD scenario, or war to end all wars.
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&lt;br/&gt;The purpose of this paper is to point out an overarching new paradigm that redefines and, thereby, resolves and supercedes the most fundamental cause of the divisions and conflicts between us and illuminates the now and future trajectory of the new planetary human.
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&lt;br/&gt;A very fundamental, critical question, therefore: Is it even possible to arrive at an overarching new planetary paradigm so comprehensive and robust that it corrects, subsumes, completes and outmodes all previous partial paradigms, explains all our previous explanations, with the scope and power to unify and pacify the planet?  Unequivocally, yes. We are not incapable of getting off “maybe”. We are blocked only by primitive, antique legacies and the way to expunge them from the fabric of our cultures is now available to us.
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&lt;br/&gt; How adolescent a species are we?
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&lt;br/&gt;We are accustomed to analyze, evaluate and react to significant positive or negative events in the public and private sectors in terms of political, military, economic, scientific, psychological, sociological, or religious factors and ramifications. We do this in the context of a primitive economic, competitive mammalian politic based on territory and the defense of limited survival resources when national boundaries have been rendered meaningless and free energy sources are already available. The least evolved among us, in a perversion of the word “conservative”, preserve their wealth, built on limited energy supply, by deliberately suppressing developments that would make it limitless. As most current example, if confined to this context of mammalian politics, we surely will see, the “end of the west” --- the “wild”, Paleolithic, west at least --- and the rise of the European Union in its turn in the dreary cycles of competitive mammalian economics. Then the “rise” of China, perhaps, etc., etc..
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&lt;br/&gt;Politically, we have created governments peopled largely by the cynically devolved, many sincere, perhaps, but myopic, in a time when sincerity alone is tragically inadequate. We are still working through systems of representation by strangers when direct, instantaneous input from the entire population is quite possible. Representation, due to antiquated polling and analytical methods, therefore produces mediocre politicians from the middle of the demographic bell curve where the most votes lie. Domestically we are a dead poet's society paralyzed and waiting perennially for the futant we have probably already terminated at the stake, in the courtroom, the boardroom, the lab, the dean's office, the classroom for violating a taboo....
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&lt;br/&gt;Ideologically, philosophically, the four criterion bases which we generally use to determine the truth or falsity, beneficence or harmfulness, morality or immorality of information, theology, philosophy, science and “new age” values, rattle around in a criteria vacuum with little overlap and major conflicts because each tends to define a human being and the meaning of human existence in a quite different way.  Among some humans, there is a slinking cynicism, an often unspoken, viral attitude in human society that holds the view that it is impossible to get out of the criteria vacuum, to initialize a common ground; impossible to get past the communicatory barriers of turf and custom, belief and taboo. When talking about the human we are largely ineffectual because we are Babel-factored, literally talking at each other about a different entity.
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&lt;br/&gt;Technologically, we are eager and close to being able to create artificial intelligence and consciousness, when we cannot agree on the nature of our own consciousness.
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&lt;br/&gt;“A people without history is not redeemed from time”
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&lt;br/&gt;                                                                                   T.  S. Eliot
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&lt;br/&gt;How primitively adolescent are we? Most fundamentally and amazingly, we do not have a consensual, planetary, generic definition of what a human being is. We disagree about how we really came into existence, and what the nature of our developmental process is. We disagree as to the facts and interpretation and understanding of our species’ history. We have treated the sociobiological event of our beginning as a species as if we could never be sure if it ever really occurred. We have not resolved nor integrated our genesis and our history as a species and, therefore, are at a loss to understood our real nature and future trajectory. That we do not see this as a profound puzzle is further proof of our species primitive naiveté.   
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&lt;br/&gt;These problems translate to the problems that are related to our children and their education. Currently, we matriculate our young, these amazing, parallel- processing, relativistic, quantum jumping, multi-dimensional consciousnesses, semi-illiterate and naive for fear of them questioning our shambling senilities. In a time when we need to stretch our historical sense to allow for the visitation of our planet by alien species from before our origins, we teach them drum and trumpet mammalian history fleshed out with desiccated, parochial, political platitudes. We teach our own children, privately, generally the same platitudes and clichés we were taught and brand them with the same religious, scientific, and intellectual taboos we were tattooed with as children and expect that they will somehow be ready to do better than we and perhaps even step into stellar society. Whether we deny it our not, our children show all the signs of being ready; they are underwhelmed and overqualified. We feel it. Nevertheless, we do not teach our minors philosophy although they are capable of calculus. We do not allow a teacher in the public school system to teach our children anything important about anything important because we do not agree about what to teach them, because we do not agree about who and what we are. We do not educate our children in the management and refinement and evolution of their personal spectrums of consciousness because we do not agree on what that spectrum includes. And the children are literally our future, we in the future.
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&lt;br/&gt;The current status quo is revealed, therefore, at its most fundamental strata, to be, simply a continuation of the primitive theo-political conflicts that we have known for the past three thousand years. The major obstacles that are most fundamentally influencing and hindering our planetary understanding and progress are cultural legacies, cultural lock-ins that are with us as the deepest dyes in the tapestries of our cultures, locked in legacies that influence our thinking, our science, our logic, and our concepts of ourselves. We are too close to them, or think that they do not influence us, or that they have been dealt with in the scientific or academic world long ago, or that we can just ignore them. We deal, furthermore, with all these problems in a Paleolithic, turfish manner from the isolated towers of Cartesian-Newtonian oligarchies.
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&lt;br/&gt;It has been said that the world’s most complex mechanism comes without an owner’s manual. We have many different and conflicting definitions of what a human is and a number of conflicting “owner’s manuals” by which a human is supposed to operate. The word “owner” is the key: there are two major “owner’s manuals” in the form of Bible and Koran, two in the form of The Book of Changes (The I Ching) and the Book of the Tao.  The I Ching and the Book of the Tao are instruction manuals in which the “owner” is understood as the human consulting them. In the case of the Bible and the Koran the “owners” are not the humans but the deities associated with the manuals. This relationship of “owner” to subject, deity to servant or slave, is understood by the vast majority as “religion”.  We hardly question this concept. Those who do question it have often been killed by those who do not. Those of one slave-code religion have often killed those of another slave-code religion over whose owner is the only real Owner or which code is the correct one. Ultimately, these slave-code definitions determine our cultures and their legacies and traditions and are the most basic cause of the separations, divisions, conflicts and wars between humans.
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&lt;br/&gt;A Self-Indictment
&lt;br/&gt;Part 1, obviously, constitutes a very broad, serious and daunting self-indictment.  I posit a caveat: When I name names and institutions, critically or otherwise, I intend them as part of us, as a self-indictment: it is simply we doing these things to ourselves. Let us be easy on ourselves, however, since we are the only game like us on the planet, the only example we can work with, the inadequate conceptual boxes we inhabit are of our making but also ours out of which to break. If these negatives were all there were, then the fears of those in future shock would be vindicated. If I had no suggestions, solutions, answers or resolutions to offer I would not have written this paper. So the second half of this paper respectfully offers an overview and paradigm that can take us, in the perspective of a deepened knowledge of our species and ourselves, to a new level of racial maturity and a degree of freedom previously unavailable. The new synthesis subsumes partial glimpses of a new politic, humanistic new world order, enlightened eco-economics, re-hashed Eastern or Western mysticism, a third culture, spiritualized psychology, all knowledge united in a grand consilience, or cerebral turning points. We now have the keys to integrate our past with our present and future in the concept of generic humanity, the critical factor for achieving planetary unity.
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&lt;br/&gt;Part  2   
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&lt;br/&gt;The Primary Key to Unlocking the Locked-in Legacies
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&lt;br/&gt; “What is emerging now is a sense that something else -- neither mechanistic (Darwin) nor theistic (the Bible) -- is going on. But mainstream science will have none of this ambiguity, and reactively tars all non-Darwinian notions with the broad brush of "biblical superstition." The net result has become a sort of silly high drama in which one flavor of pseudoscience attempts to do battle with another”. 
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&lt;br/&gt;                                                    John Anthony West
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&lt;br/&gt;While the evolutionists and the creationists have been battling it out through dramatic episodes of the Scopes soaps, another explanatory paradigm has been developing exponentially which subsumes, corrects, and makes obsolete, specifically relative to the human species, both of those rather primitive paradigms. While the scientific imperialists and the religious dogmatists have thought that they owned the discussion by proprietarily boxing the argument and defining the binary options, the Sumerian scholar, Zecharia Sitchin, has advanced a robust and coherent paradigm of our genesis and unique history that, if true, ----- and I am convinced that it is after working critically with it for 28 years ----- is profound, comprehensive, and fundamental enough to enable us to rewrite the entire history of our beginnings and the planet astronomically, evolutionarily, paleontologically, archaeologically and, literally, redefine ourselves as humans. Sitchin’s thesis illuminates that antique conflict with Nobel prize quality research, renders the, by now, Monty Pythonesque arguments outmoded, subsumes and corrects creationism, redefines Darwinism as well as its latter day detractions. He has been able to do this because he reads Sumerian as well as the Semitic languages including ancient and Modern Hebrew, and is steeped in the history. He has had the advantage of access to the accumulated scholarship and archaeological material from the Middle East rediscovered only in the last one hundred and fifty years. 
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&lt;br/&gt;Our Genesis Revisited: The Sitchin Paradigm 
&lt;br/&gt;For a more complete and detailed  synopsis of the Sitchin thesis, the context and historical background needed to understand it, the proofs of its validity and scientific objections regarding it answered, see Appendix A 
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&lt;br/&gt;Zecharia Sitchin, one of two hundred Sumerian scholars on the planet who can read a cuneiform clay tablet like you and I can read a newspaper, has demonstrated  that the Anunnaki/Nefilim (Sumerian/Hebrew: those who came down [from the heavens] )  , the transcultural “gods” known to all the ancient civilizations from the tenth planet in our solar system, Nibiru, colonized Earth 432,000 years ago and created the human species 200,000 years ago, by genetically crossing their genes with Homo Erectus. Corroboration comes from evidence for Planet X/Nibiru from the Naval Observatory , the Infrared search by the IRAS satellite in ‘83-’84; genetically from the mitochondrial DNA "search for Eve"; anthropologically from the "out of Africa" data placing our genesis in Central Africa 200,000 years; enigmatic ooparts and close to two million pieces of artifact and documentation recovered directly from the ancient civilizations. Our modern science has provided a means of identifying advanced science in the ancient past previously thought of as fantastic even for us. The advances in our scientific discoveries in genetics, mitochondrial DNA research, space and planetary science, archaeology, paleontology, anthropology, and linguistics as well as even the physics of metallurgy have enabled Sitchin to demystify the advanced technologies of the Anunnaki and identify and explain ooparts . We have progressed from being their slave animals to limited partnership and, since they phased off Earth, are now phasing out of a 3000 year traumatic transition to racial independence, a rapid metamorphic process, under the imperative of our advanced Nefilim genetic component. 
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&lt;br/&gt;Central to the history of the Anunnaki’s occupation of the planet was the interaction between two brothers, Enlil and Enki.  Enki was their chief scientist who was responsible, with his sister Ninhursag, their chief medical officer, for the genetic creation of our species.  Enki, obviously, was sympathetic towards humans and promoted our interests and us. Enlil, eventually known as Jehovah/YHWH, of the Old Testament, maintained the position that humans were to remain slaves, totally subservient to the Anunnaki and him especially.
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&lt;br/&gt;The Traumatic Transition
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&lt;br/&gt;The Anunnaki phased off this planet at the latest around 1250 B.C. For some three thousand years, subsequently, we humans have been going through a very traumatic transition to racial independence. Proprietary claims made by various groups of humans as to who knew and knows what we should be doing to get the Anunnaki to return or when they returned, perpetuated the palace and social rituals learned under the Anunnaki and sometimes disagreement and strife broke out between them. Religious ritual is the transmutation of palace servant duties. The serving of favorite roasted meats on the Anunnaki table became the offering of “burnt offerings” on the table now become an “altar”, the transportation of the Anunnaki local ruler on a dais became a procession of statues, the Anunnaki palaces became “temples”, etc. The Anunnaki were, clearly and unambiguously, known to the humans who were in contact with them as imperfect, flesh and blood humanoids (taller and huskier than we, male and female, the males bearded. We look like they look because we are half Anunnaki). It was only much later that the Anunnaki were eventually sublimated into cosmic character and status and, later on, conveniently mythologized. Breaking the godspell has seen us go through the stages of abandonment to dissociation, transmutation, religion, rebellion and now to recovery. We have been dysfunctionally looking to the sky where they went for some three thousand years caught in cargo cult religions. We are ready to step out of racial adolescence. 
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&lt;br/&gt;Ramifications and Resolutions 
&lt;br/&gt;The "occult" is time-release packages of advanced technological information entrusted to us in "crash courses" in civilization, often lost through time, now being recovered through the clues and recognition afforded by our own science. Ooparts, high-tech tools, toys, artifacts, “out of place” in time are remnants of lost technology and knowledge. Transcendental experience is redefined in terms of dimensional expansion of consciousness and perception. We are rapidly evolving to habitual four-dimensional consciousness. Transcendence is conscious metamorphic dimensional exploration, participatory expansion at the leading edge of our special-case evolution. The totems and taboos of our racial adolescence dispelled, Prometheus can get off his rock and reach genetic satori; Job can get off his dung heap and complete his EST training; Buddha can open his eyes and reach genetic enlightenment. 
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&lt;br/&gt;Mythology is our greatest myth. We can move beyond the interpretation of the gods as myth, Jungian archetypes,  and schizophrenic hallucinations. History as hallucination and “mythinformation”, after two hundred years of explanatory failure, although still hiding behind tenure in the university and between the glossy pages of new age magazines, is a dead issue.
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&lt;br/&gt;Why is the Sitchin paradigm so pivotal? It is the meta-paradigm that affords the potential to remove the resultant, stultifying, locked-in legacies that have kept up separate and enervated for millennia. The new paradigm is so encompassing and penetrating that it is a unique meta-wild card: it redefines every cardinal element of human existence that we think we have understood including a redefinition of our evolution, all our cultures, our religions and of our very selves. 
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&lt;br/&gt;Those who talk of a singularity, a shearing drop to extreme novelty and fundamental revolutionary change at some near point in our future that is so profound that it will change human nature do not have to look any further than the Sitchin paradigm. It is there for the acceptance and it will rewrite the entirety of our history and redefine human nature. After a century and a half of examination and attempted explanation ---- and suppression ---- of the historical, archaeological, anthropological and astronomical evidence accumulated, no other explanatory paradigm comes close to the totally coherent, robust and logical Sitchin thesis. Can and will it be improved or corrected? Certainly. 
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&lt;br/&gt;Just within the time of the writing of this paper there has been a report of the discovery, by satellite scan, of a city, two miles by  fivemiles in area, under thirty feet of water in the ocean twenty five miles off the northwest coast of India.  Preliminary carbon dating of dredged materials from the site indicate its age as nine thousand years old, placing it earlier than Sumer. The histories of India (declared myth by the British because they were older than the Empire) speak in detail about civilizations and humans in the very remote past and mention this city by name. 
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&lt;br/&gt;The Takenouchi documents and artifacts, ancient treasure of the Japanese Emperor guarded for 2500 years by the family of the highest  Shinto priest caste family, speak of an alien civilization coming here from space and founding the human race.
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&lt;br/&gt;All these facts and histories need to be studied thoroughly and integrated with the histories and data from the entire planet.  We have much work to do. The planetary benefits will be enormous. Besides the obvious general advantage of working from a consensual understanding and definition of what a generic human is, we can eliminate the characterizations of the perennial conflicts as being between “progress and piety” or between creationism and evolution, or science and faith. The new paradigm finally and conclusively resolves the creation-evolutionary conflict specifically concerning our unique genesis. If the new paradigm is substantially correct then the box is illusory, the creationists are only half wrong and the evolutionists are only half right: there was a creation but it took place in a genetic laboratory; there is a human evolutionary process but it was interrupted by the Anunnaki inserting their genes into the Homo Erectus gene code, a very pragmatic, non-Darwinian kind of interference. We were created and we are evolving but both in unique ways.
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&lt;br/&gt;In short: the entire set of world views, theistic, theo-political, cultural, philosophical and scientific that purport to explain our genesis, history, and development as a species are about to be replaced as we recover finally from racial amnesia. The revolution is inevitable. It will take probably a century to fully accomplish socially because of the sweepingly profound nature of the resulting change, the natural resistance of the established institutions, and the need to reeducate and transition without disorientation. The new world view is gradually taking hold, cannot be ignored, and is waiting in the wings. It is only a matter of time. A unique and vital characteristic is that it addresses and explains and redefines the root source of all the ancient religions of the world on a common basis so that no particular religion can claim privileged status of any kind. Religion, as we know it, will be understood in the context of our unique history. 
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&lt;br/&gt;The significance and ramifications of this tremendous body of work, correlated with findings from all other disciplines, as they bear on our present and future, has been my primary focus since 1976 when I began work on Breaking the Godspell, the reaction to which has been predictable and certainly not boring.
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&lt;br/&gt;There is no better example of the Galileo effect (we will not look through your telescope because we know what you say you see can’t be so) in the academic and scientific arenas than the reaction to the Sitchin paradigm. Campus, scientific, and theological imperialism and the fields of anthropology, archaeology, and astronomy, particularly, have tried all the usual unprofessional, unscholarly, shunning, chest thumping, fang baring, proprietary turf posturing and ad hominem attacks through teeth clenched in tenure tetanus, but the thesis becomes more and more robust as new evidence comes in continually from archaeology, anthropology, astronomy, genetics and other disciplines. If Darwin’s thesis was a blockbuster, Sitchin’s thesis is a hydrogen bomb. We may have been able to afford to dally with Darwin and defer to religion for as long as we have but the rapid changes in modern times will force us to consider Sitchin’s thesis seriously and intensely on a much shorter basis.
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&lt;br/&gt;Of course, most scientists and sophisticated scholars consider themselves enlightened in that they espouse some form of Darwinian evolutionary theory as the party line, although there are serious arguments even within the scientific arena as to the full validity of the Darwinian thesis. Generally, philosophers and scientists apologize if they think they are even possibly sounding like creationists, spend most of their energy in either promulgating some version of Darwinian evolution or attacking what they judge to be its too radical application, get entangled in arguments about whether Darwinian evolution can be invoked to explain human creativity, even aesthetics, and generally put down any other explanation out of hand.
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&lt;br/&gt;The general thesis of the evolutionist, therefore, reads like this: the acceptance of evolution as the mechanism by which we came about causes us to understand that we are a collection of biological molecules, interacting with each other as in a mechanism, according to well defined laws and rules derived from physics and chemistry ---- although not all known or understood by humans as yet.  Defining consciousness within this biological model is still a pivotal problem: some say it is simply an epiphenomenon, an effect of the operation of all the parts of the brain working in consort, some say it is the subjective self-perception of herself or himself by the individual, some say it must be based in some “new stuff”, some new physics or chemistry that we don’t yet understand. 
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&lt;br/&gt;Across the general population, however, we do not even agree on whether we are evolving, what the process really is if, indeed, we are evolving, from what source and how we began, and in what direction and on what trajectory, whatever that process is, we are headed. We do not agree, even more fundamentally, as to what criteria to use to judge these matters. We are not discussing the same entity. Creationists, obviously, do not think of humans as having evolved in the past or as evolving in the present. If we do not agree that we are evolving, can evolve, or whether any evolution of a species or individual must be by mindless Darwinian mechanisms, or whether there are effective methodologies for expediting conscious self evolution, we will continue to be at standstill. It is quite ironical, however, that even most of those who hold for some evolutionary view of humankind evolving to human status in the past do not seem to think in terms of humans evolving in the present, much less having a well defined conceptualization of what that process might be.
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&lt;br/&gt;Charles Darwin published his arguments for evolution in 1859, one hundred and forty three years ago. Schliemann opened the buried Pandora’s box of our real archaeological history in 1873, one hundred and twenty four years ago. Sitchin, having gained the advantage of discoveries in archaeology, astronomy, space travel, genetics and linguistics as elucidating and explanatory tools, published first only in 1976, already over a quarter century ago. Using this rough chronology as a guide, we might anticipate, even with some exponential bit of acceleration, that the initial general recognition and acceptance of the Sitchin paradigm will not happen for, perhaps, some fifty years.  We really can’t afford, however, to see Kuhn’s thesis  that scientific revolutions take place only by the old guard dying off rather than by an acceptance through careful study, critique and proving out, borne out once again.
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&lt;br/&gt;Bicameral Genetics As Sociobiology 1A 
&lt;br/&gt;In searching for a word to clearly distinguish between the various Darwinian type theories of evolution usually applied to all species including ours, and our unique evolution as revealed by our history, science and genetics I have found it convenient  to invent the word “Realevolution” .  Clearly we are evolving but in an accelerated,  unique way after coming into existence through a genetic engineering project.  That we have adapted loosely in a Darwinian sense over time is also  true but the fact that we realize we can control and manipulate our realevolutionary progress and direction goes far beyond the concept of natural selection by chance genetic mutations.
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&lt;br/&gt;Consider the facts of our unique genetics and differences from any other anthropoid or humanoid. Current investigation says our genetics are about 98 percent the same as a chimp’s. Regardless, that two, perhaps only one percent obviously makes a vast difference. We have 46 chromosomes, primates have 48 and the fusion of the second and third chromosomes in primates is a mystery. Even today, the anthropological sector is scrambling to find a viable ancestor species for us; Homo Erectus is currently being promoted. We were contemporaneous with Neanderthals or even preceded them. We showed up too suddenly in the chronology of the fossil record. We present with very many startling, obvious differences from primates, and those differences, suddenly appearing in our species, are radical: we have foreheads, hardly any brow ridges, eye sockets far more rectangular than round; relatively tiny nasal passages; small flat mouths and a chin; far less muscular strength and bone density; our skin, sweat process and glands, body hair, throats, and salt management are completely different. Human females do not have an estrus cycle. We are bipedal. Our brains are remarkably different to say the very least. It becomes quite obvious why we (as a product of a melding of two racial gene codes where quality control was conditioned by pragmatic purposes) have some four thousand genetic defects and counting rather than none to a handful as all other species, in light of the complexity of the merging.  Homo erectus, our half ancestor, took a million years to go from rough flaked stone tools to smooth ones. You could hardly notice any change. We have come from square one to going to Mars in only some 200,000 years. If the Sitchin paradigm is correct, all these facts are explained easily. If we ignore this body of information as we read out and work with the human genome we handicap ourselves unnecessarily and deprive ourselves of valuable clues and understanding. Darwinian principles may generally apply to hominid species before us but they clearly do not apply to our unique synthetic genesis and subsequent development except as a minor theme in our climatic and incidental regional adaptations.
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&lt;br/&gt;If the Anunnaki were interested only in engineering what clearly amounted to disposable units then it may reasonably be inferred that the completeness of the engineering would not have to have been taken to the maximum. This is, in the opinion of this author, the basis for the four thousand plus genetic diseases and defects we present. It has been argued, theoretically, that, although the vast majority of the species on this planet present with only a few typical genetic diseases, we show 4000 because of the relative complexity of our organism. However, we are not that much more complex genetically than even the higher primates and this argument does not hold. 
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&lt;br/&gt;Sociobiology, as introduced and propounded by E. O. Wilson, is founded on Darwinian evolutionary theory,  and the "unappealing proposition" that genetic variation and chance are the only cause for the existence of human kind, inferring a complete biological determinism. There is difficulty, however, in accounting for the disconcertingly rapid accelerations obvious in our species’ brief history in which the slow genetic mutational and chance factors have been rapidly outrun by our cultural and consciousness developments. It may well be that we are totally determined in our action and thought by our biology but the very fact that we can recognize that possibility and discuss it begs the question How then are we determined? Wilson’s honesty causes him to acknowledge that we have reached a point where we can consciously influence the course of our evolution. The new paradigm affords a context and perspective in which to understand our species’ precocity in terms of the rapid ascendance or our advanced Anunnaki genetic base. We can return to the subject of man's ultimate nature with confidence, freedom to radically experiment and explore with understanding and humor. The same reductionistic science that would honestly insist that we are totally determined by an infinitely regressive loop of ultimately quantum mechanical events is already telling us that we are determined to transcend in an infinitely progressive loop of fractal like expansions. If we are totally determined, we are clearly determined to determine our own determinism.
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&lt;br/&gt;The fact that we have modified since our inception according to Darwinian adaptations to general climatic, regional and cultural vectors becomes a minor theme in the overview of ourselves as the precocious leading edge of a synthesized species metamorphosing rapidly, driven by our bicameral genetic engine. The “unappealing proposition” loses its sting:  the truth, regardless of its content, tends to set one free. The new paradigm explains completely the seeming anomalies of acceleration, ooparts and syncretisms so apparent in the human situation, and is a definitive explanation of why our  species’ "biological evolution is always quickly outrun by cultural change".
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&lt;br/&gt;A Planetary Focus for the Genome Project and Genetic Research 
&lt;br/&gt;The Sitchin paradigm provides a comprehensive context in which to understand and explain the enigmatic facts and anthropological anomalies of the Darwinian model of our species existence, which we have already amassed. It provides the context and data for bringing the efforts of geneticists and the genome projects, often scattered for a variety of reasons, to a focus on correcting and perfecting the genetic code, eliminating all disease and handicaps, and providing us the option of immortality. 
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&lt;br/&gt;Immortality is a pivotal topic in all considering and learning from all phases of the Anunnaki-human history. We know, directly from the records, of their decisions that the Anunnaki did not give us the relatively extreme longevity or immortality they possessed by conscious deliberate decision. It did not fit their purposes: we were invented as slave workers. The records also show, however, that, over time, a handful of humans were granted immortality also by deliberate decision as a reward for being good subordinates in various roles usually as kings/foremen or for carrying out some critical mission. Another lesson: there may well be identifiable gene sequences that control the aging and dying process that are clearly and definitely manipulatable giving indication that we will be able to rectify their possible deliberate suppression.
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&lt;br/&gt;During the genetic investigations now in process, therefore, it would be valuable indeed for geneticists, at the minimum, to be constantly inspecting the results of the decipherment for signs of the genetic merging, and to develop protocols to determine such, if needed, as well as following the clues mentioned herein. By doing so, interpretations and explanations may possibly be facilitated, progress accelerated and a far more comprehensive overview of the genome achieved. The information gained would be, reciprocally, a major, pivotal, invaluable resultant spin-off contribution to our species’ evolutionary, anthropological, and cultural generic history. Understanding our bicameral gene code in the context of the new paradigm will facilitate the elimination of the schizoid puzzles in our collective and individual psyches and the correction and perfecting of our genetics.
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&lt;br/&gt;Immortality, An Emergent Wild Card 
&lt;br/&gt;How primitive are we? The view from 2100 says very primitive indeed:  we are only beginning to approach the time when all diseases are preventable and curable. We still pollute our environment and cause ourselves disease.  We have not overcome aging and death and are afraid of immortality. We get born, no owner’s manual, to often dubiously qualified, puzzled and puzzling parents, subject to a multitude of diseases, struggle to make sense out of what the hell existence on this planet in this universe is all about and how to deal with it, wonder why there are so many conflicting philosophies and institutions claiming cosmic franchising and, often, why the universe seems so unfair and then we die. We are generally conditioned by theocultural traditions to accept these bizarre conditions as “normal”’ and the will of some god. 
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&lt;br/&gt;If we rethink our situation in terms of our restored history, however, things make a great deal more sense although, for now, there may not be a planetary cure or relief for some of them. If we recognize that we are the product of a genetically engineered melding of two quite different gene codes, literally a bicameral species, displaying a decidedly non-Darwinian kind of evolutionary development, just now beginning to step out of racial adolescence, only now beginning to grasp our racial psychology, possessing a gene code that, significantly and disconcertingly, manifests four thousand and counting potential genetic defects, struggling desperately with a short life span and certain mortality, we will know precisely who and what we are.  By enabling us to break the godspell we are freed to collectively work toward planetarily common goals in genetic science: the correction of the defects in our genetic code, the elimination of diseases in all of mankind, the providing of the option of immortality to all.
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&lt;br/&gt;In the greatest perspective, perhaps we should recognize from the outset that immortality will be both a new and awesome plateau of human existence offering as yet probably undreamed potential and yet, without denigrating that potential at all, ultimately just another "trip", just another step in our meta-evolution, the rapid metamorphosis we have been undergoing since our beginning. Within those extremes there is the greatest latitude for the inevitable expansion into dimensions which will allow us to become far wiser, individually, through greater experience, greater learning, and the ability to witness the patterns of repetitions of extended periodicity. Eliminating the pressure of a short life span that influences our choices and cramps our lives will not just give us the practical potential to travel easily between star systems and send the insurance companies into the re-edit mode; it will change our perspective and our social interactions, certainly the entirety of human existence, radically.
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&lt;br/&gt;Beyond Religion and The Old New Age
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&lt;br/&gt;Over the last 2000 years we have seen scientific or pseudoscientific doctrines espoused by the various religions being contradicted or demolished and the religions, repeatedly, although with great delay, change their positions with regard to our genesis, history, evolution and science, and modify their doctrines. But the new paradigm addresses the very root doctrines, positions, claimed divine franchise and authority of all the religions of the world and will eventually cause the obsolescence of all institutionalized religions springing from our ancient relationship of subservience to the Anunnaki. 
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&lt;br/&gt;Religion, as we know it, is the transmutation of the Anunnaki-human relationship of master-subject servitude, of slavery and then limited, subservient partnership, the godspell. The concept of God, capital G, has gradually developed through the cosmification of the various Anunnaki rulers Enlil (Jehovah/YHWH), Enki (Adonai, the Lord), Allah (El/Nannar/Sin), among others, gradually embellished with the heady concepts of metaphysical speculation. It has lately become a sort of faux ecumenical gloss: the TV news quotes the Koran as saying “There is no God but God” when it should be “There is no god but Allah”, a completely different meaning. The god of the Judeo-Roman Christian tradition, Jehovah YHWH was – quite possibly still is -- the flesh and blood Anunnaki individual, Enlil, eventually cosmified into the absolute creator of the universe, eventually spoken of as infinite love, infinite justice, infinite this or infinite that, through the bishops and the scholastic philosophers and theologians.
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&lt;br/&gt;The idea of a cosmic, infinite principle “God”, as many of us still take it for granted, is a thoroughly mixed composite concept of the sublimation of the anthropomorphic and imperfect Anunnaki individuals, the “deities” of slave code religions; metaphysical abstractions accumulated over time through the speculations of the revered philosophers from the Greeks onward; the Hellenic influenced, theo-philosophical teachings of the Roman Church scholastic tradition and mystics; flavored with the concepts of theists, deists, agnostics, theosophists and mystics of any number of sects;  and thoroughly leavened by the concepts of the consciousness expanding disciplines and metaphysical doctrines of the East, sprinkled with our own individual intellectual and emotional subjective variations and usually still conditioned by the godspell element of subservience. But that cosmified, composite, intellectual abstraction is not the Jehovah/YHWH or Jesus of the Judeo-Christian religions, the Prime Mover of Thomas Aquinas or the Omega point of De Chardin, the Allah of the Muslim faith, the Brahma of Hinduism, the Buddha, or the Tao or deity of the religion of your choice.  
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&lt;br/&gt;Many who do not realize this crucial distinction, do not want to, or are not ready to, take refuge in the Big-G little-g syndrome, a sort of halfway shelter on the way to genetic enlightenment.  That position is articulated as, “I see the real historical nature of the “gods”, the little “g’s”, but that does not shake my belief in a Big G”.  That way they can still subscribe to the platitudes that the “God of all religions” is beyond individual doctrinal differences and contradictory theologies,  “all paths lead to the same God” and similar inane notions. The new paradigm affords us the opportunity to sort all these elements out, identify the different individual real gods of the various religions, place them and ourselves in historical perspective and recognize the metaphysical conceptualizations of “deity”, East and West, as a product of our own evolving racial psychology.  
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&lt;br/&gt;Yes, the new paradigm means that religion and religions, as we know them, will have to bow out. The godspell phenomenon has two parts: we need to overcome the slave mentality of dependence and subservience and we need to discard the institutional religions which sprang from and dominated through it, especially the radical fundamentalism, West and East, that is ultimately tearing the race apart. The role of the theologian then becomes the facilitating of planetary reconciliation in the transition to the time beyond religion.
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&lt;br/&gt;The institutional, slave-code, godspell religions, have fixed dogmas which are directly contradicted by the new paradigm.  They claim divine franchise by gods who are now radically redefined.  They claim absolute authority over the disciplines that produce the information that would demonstrate their true historical nature. The ultimate driving force will most probably be a degree of desperation and desire for peace gradually manifesting in the entire planetary population so strong that it will cause an abandonment of the authoritarian leaders and dogmas of the religions, followed by a younger generation of clerics who will recognize the inevitable and introduce new interpretations and relaxed rules to gradually smooth the phase out and transition, hopefully to humanitarian organizations and peace movements.  The signs of transition of some religious organizations to charitable and ecological focus may be seen as an almost inchoate beginning of this kind of transformation. It would also be foolish not to expect diehard fundamentalist backlash.
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&lt;br/&gt;Is this atheism? No, paradoxically, not as such. Not as we have defined atheism previously as the denial of the existence of any kind of god, cosmic or otherwise. It simply is a long overdue correction of some local, intra-solar system politics, relatively rather pedestrian in cosmic perspective. Garden variety atheism can now be understood as an early sign of precocious species adolescent rebellion and questioning of the authority of the obviously all too humanoid characteristics of whatever sublimated local Anunnaki "god" is still the object of worship (the original meaning of worship was “work for”: AVOD = work).  Yes, the subservient godspell religious stage will be surpassed. The resultant freedom, however,  will engender and foster greater curiosity about reality and a seeking for ultimate causes far more metaphysically adequate and commensurate with our expanding consciousness far beyond even the search for the Law of Everything. The element of transcendence associated with some religions will be, at minimum,  understood as generic consciousness expansion into higher and higher dimensionality. 
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&lt;br/&gt;Neither is this materialistic reductionism although it does force us to reconsider the notion of the “spiritual”. What is needed is a complete overhaul of all our metaphors and concepts of the “spiritual” because the great majority of them are embedded in our cultural fabric and consciousness as leftovers from Judeo-Roman Catholic theology and second hand Eastern philosophies. The importance of this overhaul is critical because it involves the concepts of mind, consciousness, intelligence, will, self-awareness, transcendence, dimensionality, self.
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&lt;br/&gt;Beyond The Babel Factor: Human Over-Unity 
&lt;br/&gt;The new paradigm is the basis, perhaps the only adequate basis, for a profound unification of all humanity. Not some superficial token ecumenicism or social homogenization of peoples and cultures and philosophies but a unification that frees us to be one species and explains and enhances our diversity of adaptations and cultures and contributions. The cumulative evidence and restored history has enabled us to grasp the true nature of our genetic creation, our traumatic transition, and the opportunity to emerge from species adolescence and amnesia into species maturity. All the political, economic, social, scientific, new age, evolutionary variables are only symptomatic; the genetic level is where the profound realization must blossom. The restoration of our generic history and a generic definition of what a human is afford us the advancement that will take the planet off hold.
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&lt;br/&gt;The Current Grand Moment 
&lt;br/&gt;This is the end game of an age, be certain. A new human and a new civilization beyond religion and the old new age are on the horizon. I submit that the most fundamental, profound, overarching, sociological transformation we are going through at this point in our history is the change from the theo-politically controlled and manipulated explanations of our beginnings and history to species independence. We are witnessing the last gasp of religious fundamentalism worldwide. Whether we chose to acknowledge it or not, we are already well into one of “…. those Grand Moments when the whole scale of being is reevaluated” as John Petersen has characterized it. It is within these redefinitions that the resolutions to the problems and obstacles deeply embedded in our species’ and individual psyches’ are to be found. To paraphrase Dylan Thomas rather crudely, let us not go blind into that daylight. But how do we accomplish the transition from our current planetary standstill to planetary consensus gracefully and quickly? It’s best to recognize from the outset that the revolution required, the meta-wild card so radical in its implications and ramifications and requirements, that there is no single discipline, no institution, certainly no individual or group who can bring it about alone.  It is so planetarily encompassing that stepping outside of this box is almost impossible. The change will have to come from within.
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&lt;br/&gt;Science, the closest we have come to a common ground, a common criterion, has played and will continue to play a pivotal role in the recognition and acceptance of the new worldview.
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&lt;br/&gt;Astronomy will demonstrate the existence of the tenth planet unequivocally --- the IRAS, Infrared Imaging Satellite, quite obviously discovered it in ‘83-’84 ---  and, reluctantly, recognize the correspondence of the details gradually accumulated with the ancient data we now possess. The curiosity about the existence of the Anunnaki on Nibiru/Planet X will become overwhelming and contact through spacecraft and signaling will commence. 
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&lt;br/&gt;Archaeology, for the last one hundred and fifty years, has been making the major contributions of data and will continue to do so.  Only recently, the science of genetics has been able to refine, sometimes correct, archaeological and anthropological estimates and dating. Because of the intertwining of the archaeological and genetic information concerning our unique genesis, genetics has already and should continue to be a major tool and contributing science to the new paradigm.
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&lt;br/&gt;The more robust the scientific information becomes the easier it will be for the religions of the world to accept and incorporate.  Nations and cultures as well will see the cogency of the information and gradually accept it, becoming gradually more planetary in outlook. 
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&lt;br/&gt;A major contribution to the resolution of the conflicts between the religions of Western culture in this regard is the work of Sir Laurence Gardner.  Sitchin’s work and the major discoveries of the Dead Sea Scrolls, has enabled Gardner, an English genealogist—historian to make a recent breakthrough. Gardner has the advantage of one hundred and fifty years of discovery and translation of the Sumerian source material, knowledge of Anunnaki politics and the interaction of Enki and Enlil implemented by the latest scholarship on the Dead Sea Scrolls and Nag Hamadi documents through the brilliant work of the Australian theologian, Barbara Thiering . Working as a genealogist with data available through privileged access to the private archives of thirty European royal family clients, Gardner has brought to light the fact that there exists a robust, highly documented, genealogical, genetic history of a special bloodline carrying all the way back to the Anunnaki and Sumeria. This information, possessed by the heterodox tradition of Christianity, which is only now coming forward, no longer fearful of the boiling oil of the Inquisition, has always been available. He has identified the Holy Grail as this bloodline of humans, enhanced by Enki with additional Anunnaki genes, intended to be human leader-rulers in a tradition of “servants of the people” traceable all the way back to Sumer.  The modern word Grail traces back to graal, san graal, which, etymologically, stems from the Sumerian root words GRA AL, meaning special bloodline. The bloodline of human leaders, further enhanced with Anunnaki genes, initiated by Enki (The Lord, Adonai), passed from Sumer through Egypt to Israel through David and the messiahs (anointed ones), fostered by the Essene communities as revealed in the Dead Sea Scrolls. Jesus was an Essene in the bloodline as was Mary Magdalene. They were man and wife and had children. Jesus was of a liberal persuasion within that tradition.
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&lt;br/&gt;This strain of Hellenistic, liberal, Judaism eventually became known as heterodox Christian (the word Christian was not coined until almost four hundred years later) was opposed by the Pauline branch which eventually allied itself with Rome and became the Roman Church. The orthodox Roman Church perpetuated the slave-code fear and subservience tradition and, in its turn, suppressed, persecuted and brutalized the  human centered strain of the bloodline. The reason why women have always been denigrated and suppressed by the Roman Church is genetic: the bloodline was dependent on transmission through the women of the line and any recognition of them would be recognition of the line. This is a further elucidation of our genetic background. It is manifestly unjust that the geneticist is deprived of this vital block of information about the genome due to the preclusive attitude of the “bishops” still reigning in archaeology. We are the product of that Nefilim technology, a mutant species with bicameral genetics, bicameral mind. We can finally integrate both halves of our nature. Our Homo Erectus component will bring us back to harmony with this planet, making it a nice place to live and a nice place to visit. Our Anunnaki component will teach us how to move off planet gracefully. The word from station DNA is these "gods" wear designer genes.
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&lt;br/&gt;The New Human 
&lt;br/&gt;We need to think about what it is like to be a member of a synthesized species which is going through a special case of evolution, a rapid metamorphosis, where we can actually determine our own evolutionary direction, when the ramifications of that unthinkable thought are now about to bring about a turning point in our history. It is about the new civilization we are about to create out of the new planetary vision.
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&lt;br/&gt;Let us postulate that we have broken the godspell, we have arrived at a consensual, planetary, understanding and definition of the generic human as a genetically engineered species now coming out of racial adolescence into species first maturity, the individual cognizant of the ability to control and direct the nature and trajectory of his and her own personal evolution and able and expected to contribute to the collective consciousness and determination of the racial evolutionary trajectory.
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&lt;br/&gt;The awareness and comprehension of this fundamental, generic, racial  self knowledgeI have called genetic enlightenment. By "genetic enlightenment" I mean what it is like once you have broken the godspell, the deepest dye in the fabrics of both Eastern and Western culture. Many seemingly enigmatic items are resolved and there is a great deal to be done. It becomes immediately clear that we can move beyond both eastern and western metaphor;  beyond religion, atheism, the old new age; beyond Jungian archetypal and mythological interpretation, beyond our strange, dangerous and contradictory mix of mammalian, turfish, violent theo-political politics and compassionate ideals. We will finally be ready for alien contact and interaction and matriculation into stellar society. We can reach a planetary unity we have never known before and a peace so profound it will be almost humorous.  How long will it take?  Probably as long as we have lived under our Constitution.
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&lt;br/&gt;The Trajectory of Realevolution 
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&lt;br/&gt;A cardinal result of our confusion about who and what we are causes us to be at a loss as to what the thrust and direction, the trajectory of that evolutionary dynamic might be. When we, collectively, recognize the validity of the new paradigm and restore our true history to ourselves we will gain a critical major advantage in that we will be positioned to understand not only our unique synthetic nature but our unique evolutionary trajectory. This will mark a cardinal turning point in our history.
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&lt;br/&gt;Once the locked-in, slave-code legacies and the conflicts they engender, both species wise and in the individual, are seen for what they really are, it becomes clear that the thrust, the direction, of our Realevolution is toward greater and greater expansion of freedom, compassion, understanding, cooperation, intelligence, consciousness, dimensional perception, conscious personal and species orchestration and control. It raises and enhances the individual’s level of importance, the scope of the individual’s choices and enlarges the arena of exploration. It points towards immortality and beyond, to transforms of our nature hardly imaginable now. The message is that liberated human nature and existence is open ended, forward creative, poetic, rhapsodic, expanding, exciting and enticing.
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&lt;br/&gt;The Demographics of Our Realevolution 
&lt;br/&gt;The evolutionary demographic profile of the species, at any given time, tends to be that of a bell curve. The segments of the bell curve are composed of gene pools with different focuses and different functions.  Perhaps two percent of the population, at any given time, will be located at the very leading edge of the curve. These are the futants, those who are genetically programmed to be the evolutionary scouts of future dimensions, scenarios, and potentials. Rather than kill them, jail them, shun them, we had better learn to recognize their function, sort out the valuable parts of their reports of the future, and honor their contribution to the evolutionary progress of our species. 
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&lt;br/&gt;IQ Meets CQ....and EQ? 
&lt;br/&gt;Genetic enlightenment will afford derivative major advantages in psychology, sociology, and education. 
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&lt;br/&gt;Once recognizing the nature and direction of our realevolution we will be positioned to understand the details of its mechanism.  The current agenda of the DNA intelligence is to produce neurological systems that can use themselves as an instrument and bodies sophisticated enough to house them. There are a number of survival functions necessary to protect, preserve, and further that goal and the species. These functions are accomplished by specific gene pools of individuals.  Individual, personal realevolution recapitulates the realevolution of our species and this involves the individual moving through different gene pools at different ages and stages. Education is most effectively accomplished in gene pool contexts at the time the child, adolescent or adult is evolving through or specializing in a particular gene pool.
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&lt;br/&gt;IQ, intelligent quotient is defined in realevolutionary terms as an estimate of the degree of proficiency of an entity to receive, process, transmit information from external and internal sources, testable and measurable against a relative peer scale.
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&lt;br/&gt;Just as one can test to determine if an entity possesses some degree of intelligence so one can test to determine if an entity has some degree of consciousness. Just as with intelligence, once determined in an entity, one can devise relative criteria and scales to measure the extent of the spectrum of awarenesses and the degree and focus of each kind of awareness, its integration and the degree of conscious use by the entity of its input and data. Let us call this the consciousness quotient: CQ.
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&lt;br/&gt;How primitive are we still? Tests for a consciousness quotient, CQ, do not seem to be a concept with which our collective consciousness is comfortable just yet. Not just a test to determine a verifiable state of awareness. Not just a test to see if we can be Turinged by some program or entity. A test of consciousness quotient would determine the entire range of awarenesses of the entity, human or otherwise, and the degree of development and intensity, quality and focus of each part of that spectrum. 
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&lt;br/&gt;The democratic ideal is twisted with regard to consciousness as it is with IQ. Yes, all humans are created equal as far as their human rights are concerned but we all don’t have the same abilities or degrees of capabilities or intelligence or consciousness. Somehow, such a recognition is seen by some to be less than politically correct, or a denigration of some individuals.
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&lt;br/&gt;How primitive are we? If the notion of a CQ is touchy, try EQ, an individual’s evolutionary quotient, and a relative scale measure of an individual’s evolutionary development and potential. We continually make ad hoc judgments, many times for the sake of our own security and safety, about the relatively evolved or devolved physical, mental and consciousness characteristics and signals of others just as we are doing continually about their manifest IQ. A parent or teacher or psychologist expects a statement like “This person has a higher IQ than that person” to be sophisticated and socially acceptable. If, however, one dares broach the notion of a consciousness quotient, CQ, communicatory flags go up; there is disconcertion, confusion, and even conflict.  Advance the concept of an EQ, an evolutionary developmental quotient, and things get really squirrelly. Once we are adjusted to the concept of the individual, from conception on, recapitulating the stages of species evolution, we will begin to take the notions of CQ and EQ as given.  We will need them to recognize the developmental stage of a child or adult in order to determine in which gene pool context he or she should be educated in or contribute to at that point, thereby most effectively promoting and accelerating her or his personal realevolution.
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&lt;br/&gt;The recognition that the stages of realevolution are stages of conscious evolution will facilitate the resolution of the perennial academic problem involving other than “normal” states of consciousness. At this primitive stage, we cannot even agree on what constitutes the real or “legitimate” elements of the spectrum of human consciousness. If an investigator’s paradigm --- or consciousness --- does not happen to have the capacity for some perception, sensitivity or ability, its reality is often denied, a priori, in other humans. It may not even be admitted for testing or the investigation turned into an inquisition using magicians as the inquisitors instead of Dominican monks in the public square of some “learning” channel. We argue about the reality of various kinds of extrasensory perception, non-local communication, transcendental states, and perceivable dimensionalities and never seem to be able to come to definitive conclusions --- unless, of course, the Pentagon needs remote viewers. Consciousness in, consciousness out.  Once we have understood realevolution as essentially a process of consciousness development, the paranormal modalities will be recognized as advanced, evolved functions along the realevolutionary trajectory.
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&lt;br/&gt;Timothy Leary, Ph.D., the Tesla of psychology, developed an elegant schema to identify the types of consciousness at each stage of realevolution, past, present and coming. I have included a summary of it as Appendix B. It is a road and flight map of realevolution.  Note well the simple but profound advice: “The answer to all human problems is to recognize your genetic stage, go to the place where your genetic peers hang out, and in that secure place prepare yourself for the future stages inevitably awaiting you.”
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&lt;br/&gt;We need institutions and governments that are built intrinsically on and for those characteristics, to support and further the evolution of the species and the individual as a primary function.  The structure of constitutions and laws should promote the greatest degree of freedom of expansion and exploration by the individual and the species.
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&lt;br/&gt;Well, you say, here in the U. S., the Constitution is an advanced and enlightened document, which has solved many of those problems, at least in this country. I submit that the Constitution, certainly advanced and relatively enlightened when it was conceived and put in place, was an ingenious solution, created by deists, for maintaining some semblance of peace between the Colonial religious factions, restraining the religious mayhem always under the surface. However, there is no indication of any anticipation that there would ever be a resolution of those differences, no anticipation of a common definition and understanding of human nature. The Constitution, as unique and effective as it is as a set of rules of order in a primitive situation, has become a locked-in legacy. It barely continues to balance the powers, long term, and prevent the takeover of the government and imposition of theocracy or fascism.
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&lt;br/&gt;The extraordinary element remaining is the seed of evolutionary suggestion clearly intended by its authors as expressed by Jefferson when he said:
&lt;br/&gt; “I am not an advocate for frequent changes in laws and constitutions. But laws and institutions must go hand in hand with the progress of the human mind. As that becomes more developed, more enlightened, as new discoveries are made, new truths discovered and manners and opinions change. With the change of circumstances, institutions must advance also to keep pace with the times. We might as well require a man to wear still the coat which fitted him when a boy as civilized society to remain ever under the regimen of their barbarous ancestors.”
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&lt;br/&gt;A planetarily consensual conception of the generically human will enable us to derive improved forms of constitutions and develop systems of representation of individual input and voting far more adequate and accurate than our current systems of representation by strangers. That would be a first step. They will render outmoded our current systems that are modeled, to one degree or another on the residue of slave-code religious rules. They will be determined democratically by direct input from the entire population and constructed to further and abet the realevolution of the individual and the species. We, in the U.S., are in need of a second Constitution. To that purpose I have included a proposal in Appendix C. The essence of the proposal is that we now have a tool, through the relatively awesome power of the electronic medium, in the “open source” approach to programming and system development that will afford us a means to moving beyond outmoded representative government by the mediocracy to far more intelligent forms by direct input by each citizen.
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&lt;br/&gt;It is evident that the current serious crisis of world peace is largely due to the “my god is better than your god” conflicts, the sad playing out of the same kind of wars in which we were used as pawns by the Anunnaki.  The second major factor is economic: competition for limited resources  which is further exacerbated by the corruption of the powerful oppressing the weak. How primitive are we? We need only examine every economic system attempted or implemented through history to comprehend that all forms, to this point, have been successful only to a point in limited circumstances. Every serious economic and political structuring has proven to have benefits but equally serious limitations and drawbacks due to conflicts over what and who a human individual is and, therefore,  what the rights of the individual are relative to other humans and the state; what is considered moral,  just;  whether there should be winners and losers; who should be taken care of and why;  and, to put it in modern academic jargon, who is the “other”. Certainly, the potential for human degeneracy is always extant and partly at cause, but the more fundamental Babel-factoring of our species still hinders us from taking conscious part in our realevolution which is on schedule regardless. The new paradigm will, eventually, see our political and economic systems as mirroring our rapid though confused realevolutionary stages and consciously and intelligently and compassionately developing evolving, dynamic systems commensurate with our now and future trajectory.  Artificial intelligence, ironically,  will probably have to  be used to determine rapidly adjusting  economic systems for the benefit of all. 
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&lt;br/&gt;It's All Over For The Current Consensual Worldview
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&lt;br/&gt;Actually, it has been "all over" for some time now.  Several works by various authors may be noted as turning point markers just previous to the introduction of Sitchin's thesis. 
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&lt;br/&gt;Joseph Campbell's master work, The Masks of God,  surveyed and elucidated the entire field of mythology.  He accepted the basic premise that the "gods" were mythological. However, he was compelled to question the basic working premise of mythology that mythology had arisen through the naive proto-"science" of early human minds attributing human characteristics on the sun, moon, stars, and the phenomena of nature: storms,  lightning,  winds, etc.  He found very signicant the fact that the genealogies of the "gods" were the same in India as they were in the Norse countries ---- the names were different because of the difference in languages but the genealogical relationships were identical ----  and had to conclude that something had begun in the "little Sumerian mud garden"  and spread to the rest of the world.  This was totally contradictory of the working premise of then and current mythology but he let it go at noting its significance.  This was a demarcation for the introduction of Sitchin's radical paradigm. 
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&lt;br/&gt; In 1976 Julian Jaynes of Princeton published his The Origin of Consciousness In The Breakdown Of The Bicameral Mind,  examining the evolution of human consciousness  in an erudite study that covered the classics,  mythology,  archaeology, religion and  history.  He accepted the unquestioned premise that the "gods" were mythological as did Campbell.  He concludes that, because previous to 1250 B.C. humans claimed to talk to the gods,  get instructions from them,  hear them speak,  worked for them,  all men previous to that turning point in time, must have been hallucinating schizophrenes because, the gods being unreal, mythic, they must have been hearing them in their heads (!!). In retrospect ,  Jaynes' work can be seen as the last extreme effort to make professional, academic sense out of the puzzling history where the only two choices were the gods were imaginary, mythic or they were real.  it took Sitchin to provide the definitive validity of the "real" choice. 
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&lt;br/&gt;Sitchin first published also in 1976 and has produced some nine volumes since.  
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&lt;br/&gt;In 1996 Samuel P. Huntington published The Clash of Civilizations and the Remaking Of World Order.  Mr. Huntington presents a paradigm of global politics in terms of the interactions between civilizations, a "civilizational" approach,  with the intention or providing insight into how to avoid the clashes between civilizations which he sees as the greatest threat to world peace and, conversely,  how "an international order based on civilizations is the surest safeguard against world war".   
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&lt;br/&gt;The concept of a new world order, in itself, can be an idealistic and benevolent goal although the perverted notion of such put forth by some devolved politicians has set back an constructive progress in that direction considerably. The League of Nations and, currently,  the United Nations are certainly steps in the right direction. The imposition of world domination by economic, political, military, or theocratic coercion are retrograde and primitive attempts doomed to well deserved failure. The conflicts and wars covering the planet are, in their transparently theo-political base,  robot--like attempts to run the Realevolutionary videotape in reverse and mark the beginning of a final,  very slow  denouement of that godspell phenomenon. 
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&lt;br/&gt;To bring it down to the here and now: if America, or any country or culture is going to be an example for the rest of the world, there is no other choice but for it to set a Realevolutionary example and style. It will require thinkers and scholars and innovators and futants from every discipline in every culture and country and religion to assimilate the vast amount of history, information, ooparts, traditions and technology which have been rediscovered and recovered over the last one hundred and fifty years from all parts of the world and to transform their religions and cultures accordingly. How long will it take? The view from 2100 (A.D.) sees it only begun in the 21st century and not totally completed by 2200.  
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&lt;br/&gt;Consciousness In, Consciousness Out 
&lt;br/&gt;The new paradigm, elucidating our unique genesis and subsequent unique evolution (at least on this planet: it may happen similarly with synthesized species elsewhere) as, in a very real sense, an artificial intelligence, frees us to conceive the real questions we need to ask ourselves and the answers not only our science but the entire racial pool of experience and knowledge needs to provide with regard to AI. One of the most important contributions our restored history provides relates directly to the novel wild card concept of self-aware artificial consciousness in that it furnishes a wealth of information on the sociobiology of the creation of a synthetic species and the resulting, evolving social relationship between the creators and the created, between the Anunnaki and us.
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&lt;br/&gt;Specifically, concerning the question as to whether Artificial Intelligence  can actually be achieved and how we should go about it, our history is a strong source of a positive answer. The Anunnaki, even while here, according to the recovered records of their deeds and interactions, besides genetically inventing humans, quite clearly had developed robots and androids, some of the latter being so sophisticated that, it is written, it was difficult to tell one from a human or an Anunnaki. We can profit from the Anunnaki’s experience in both creating a new species and in their development and use of robots and sophisticated androids  as well as the awesome invention of a species such as we.
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&lt;br/&gt;The realization of our half-alien genetic makeup and our relationship to the Anunnaki stretches our perspective to afford an effective way for us to begin to grasp the topic of alien presence on this planet. It also enables a, previously unattainable, unassailable integrity individually and as a race which will be essential to entering into direct contact with alien species, either in the future or with ones that are already here on the planet. We shall finally enter stellar society as a mature race which knows who and what it is, what is good for it and what is not; with whom or what it could interact, with whom and what it would be dangerous to make contact; with the minimum of preconceptions as to how things should be. Until we know who and what we are we will probably not be allowed into stellar society. Until we break the godspell and stop looking up for Daddy to come back, looking for some solution or salvation from outside, we will be in danger of getting Borged by whomever shows up here. The topic of alien contact is probably the most dramatic of examples of how narrow and primitive our focus is. It is a fact and the gradual insinuation of it into our collective consciousness has progressed in the last fifty years.
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&lt;br/&gt;A Retrospective View From 2100 
&lt;br/&gt;The elements that characterize the new civilization are a collective, consensual awareness of our generic humanity as a planetary unity, a recognition of a common, known history from the beginning of the race as a genetically engineered species, a globally common conception of human nature and its evolutionary direction, a multi--dimensional sociobiology capable of reflexive self-analysis, a psychology devoted to fostering the positive evolutionary development of the individual over the entire spectrum of consciousness, a unified scientific field expressed through a profound natural language based on self-referential consciousness, an ecological, non-competitive, ubiquitously helpful economics, an integral systems approach to the management of the material realm, with the primary focus on the transcendental as the essential human process.
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&lt;br/&gt;With the demise of godspell religions and the dawning of a generic, planetary, definition of human nature the social context and educational process will undergo a profound revolution. The orientation will not be  to a creationist or a Darwinian evolutionary context but to a generic, planetarily common realevolutionary context. We will be finally free to understand our common species predecessors and our bicameral species heritage in perspective.  That perspective will afford us the detailed information concerning the stages of developmental realevolution we have passed through to this point.  We will be able to understand and utilize the realevolutionary map of those stages as laid out by Leary in the first-of-its-kind schema in Appendix B  and even better ones to follow.
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&lt;br/&gt;The awareness of the historical stages and trajectory of  realevolution will make us conscious of the agenda of DNA, of our genetic coding:  survival and ever increasing conscious control over our own existence. We might say that we are totally determined to determine our own determination. Gene pools (groups throughout the population that are predominantly programmed for certain functions for survival of the species) will be recognized for what they are and valued.  Once conscious of the nature and purpose of  these specialized populations and how they map on to the stages of realevolution we will see that we may move from gene pool to gene pool, adsorbing the ancient wisdom of each for survival and personal learning and expansion. Moving from gene pool to gene pool will be a natural process of an individual’s unique personal realevolutionary process. There will be a mutual respect and positive recognition between gene pools beyond just tolerance, and the only rule necessary will be a consensually agreed prohibition of any gene pool doing anything that will harm or obstruct the function of another gene pool. The gene pool golden rule. It also brings us full circle around to the children, us in the future. I project a realevolutionary scenario for the treatment and education of the children of the 21st century to develop as follows. 
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&lt;br/&gt;A further refinement of the gene pool concept will be its incorporation into the educational process: the stages of the recapitulatory developmental process of the human child will be mapped onto the various gene pools but without assigning hierarchical ranking to them. A child will have the opportunity to experience the best features of the various phases of human evolutionary experimentation. The quintessence of the hunter, the gatherer, the agriculturist cultures presented by those steeped and expert in the context will put the student in tune with deep genetic roots, survival methods, cooperation and creativity. The crafts, industrial, mechanical, engineering, construction, building gene pools; the arts, literary, musical pools; the military, police, and civil servant gene pools all have some essence of their orientation to reality to offer as insight into a facet of human nature and ingenuity. The domestic, child-bearing and rearing, cooperative, social, political, educational, pools will certainly all contribute to the recapitulatory phases of a child’s development, each at its proper time.
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&lt;br/&gt;The children will be encouraged to be their own philosophers from the earliest age according to their capacity at any age and stage. They will be encouraged to make their own decisions about reality and to explore and follow their own unique evolutionary development and to respectfully make their unique contribution to the ongoing conversation about the ideal trajectory of our collective species’ evolution. Language, reason, logic will be understood to be a product of certain stages of our realevolutionary perception of three dimensional reality. They will be taught the nature of reality in the most expanded scientific and philosophical context we know, and introduced to the concept of action which enhances others while it enhances us. They will be enabled to continue the process of personal realevolution on their own.  In peace.
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&lt;br/&gt;What to do after genetic enlightenment has broken the godspell, the looking-to-the-sky-for-daddy-to-return, master-slave attitude, the, deepest dye in the fabrics of all cultures? In the immediate future, the god games we shall play as our own evolutionary artists are immortality ; self directed, conscious evolution; four-dimensional consciousness; life under a law of everything; practical transcendence; the development of AI as a subordinate species and for use in surrogate operations. For starters. Physical immortality, possessed by the Nefilim, withheld from humans, will be transformed, from “religious” afterlife reward to the dominant characteristic of the dawning phase of our racial maturation. We will be our own "gods", our own genetic credentials, play our own god games with an unassailable species identity enabling us to step confidently into stellar society.
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&lt;br/&gt;But what of us individually? Once the ancient, subservient godspell is dispelled we are freed, individually, to go one on one with the universe. We will operate as our own "gods", according to our own genetic credentials, play our own  god games according to our own transcendental choices, creating our own confident realities. We will perfect systematic self-supersedure as a means of conscious evolution to an art form.
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&lt;br/&gt;The characteristics that mark the new human are an unassailable personal integrity, relativistic epistemology, profound compassion, robust depth of informational data, understanding of the universe in terms of a full unified field, broad-spectrum competence, transcendental competition, facility in dimensional shifting, preference for dyadic operation, a profound ability to enjoy, to play the games most enjoyable and satisfying to generic "gods", an expanded capacity to literally have great fun creating new realities, with the primary focus on the multi-dimensional. And to play those “god” games in the context of relative immortality and, eventually, habitual four-dimensional consciousness.
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&lt;br/&gt;We have at hand the cumulative data and information to initiate the planetary unification process. Let us make it so for the children.
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    <title>Srimad Bhagavatam and immortality as taught by the great demon Hirankashipu</title>
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&lt;br/&gt;SB 7.2.20: Hiran&amp;amp;#803;yaka&amp;amp;#347;ipu said: My dear mother, sister-in-law and nephews, you should not lament for the death of the great hero, for a hero's death in front of his enemy is glorious and desirable.
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&lt;br/&gt;SB 7.2.21: My dear mother, in a restaurant or place for drinking cold water, many travelers are brought together, and after drinking water they continue to their respective destinations. Similarly, living entities join together in a family, and later, as a result of their own actions, they are led apart to their destinations.
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&lt;br/&gt;SB 7.2.22: The spirit soul, the living entity, has no death, for he is eternal and inexhaustible. Being free from material contamination, he can go anywhere in the material or spiritual worlds. He is fully aware and completely different from the material body, but because of being misled by misuse of his slight independence, he is obliged to accept subtle and gross bodies created by the material energy and thus be subjected to so-called material happiness and distress. Therefore, no one should lament for the passing of the spirit soul from the body.
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&lt;br/&gt;SB 7.2.23: Because of the movements of the water, the trees on the bank of a river, when reflected on the water, seem to move. Similarly, when the eyes move because of some mental derangement, the land appears to move also.
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&lt;br/&gt;SB 7.2.24: In the same way, O my gentle mother, when the mind is agitated by the movements of the modes of material nature, the living entity, although freed from all the different phases of the subtle and gross bodies, thinks that he has changed from one condition to another.
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&lt;br/&gt;SB 7.2.25-26: In his bewildered state, the living entity, accepting the body and mind to be the self, considers some people to be his kinsmen and others to be outsiders. Because of this misconception, he suffers. Indeed, the accumulation of such concocted material ideas is the cause of suffering and so-called happiness in the material world. The conditioned soul thus situated must take birth in different species and work in various types of consciousness, thus creating new bodies. This continued material life is called sam&amp;amp;#769;s&amp;amp;#257;ra. Birth, death, lamentation, foolishness and anxiety are due to such material considerations. Thus we sometimes come to a proper understanding and sometimes fall again to a wrong conception of life.
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&lt;br/&gt;SB 7.2.27: In this regard, an example is given from an old history. This involves a discourse between Yamar&amp;amp;#257;ja and the friends of a dead person. Please hear it attentively.
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&lt;br/&gt;SB 7.2.28: In the state known as U&amp;amp;#347;&amp;amp;#299;nara there was a celebrated King named Suyajña. When the King was killed in battle by his enemies, his kinsmen sat down around the dead body and began to lament the death of their friend.
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&lt;br/&gt;SB 7.2.29-31: His golden, bejeweled armor smashed, his ornaments and garlands fallen from their places, his hair scattered and his eyes lusterless, the slain King lay on the battlefield, his entire body smeared with blood, his heart pierced by the arrows of the enemy. When he died he had wanted to show his prowess, and thus he had bitten his lips, and his teeth remained in that position. His beautiful lotuslike face was now black and covered with dust from the battlefield. His arms, with his sword and other weapons, were cut and broken. When the queens of the King of U&amp;amp;#347;&amp;amp;#299;nara saw their husband lying in that position, they began crying, "O lord, now that you have been killed, we also have been killed." Repeating these words again and again, they fell down, pounding their breasts, at the feet of the dead King.
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&lt;br/&gt;SB 7.2.32: As the queens loudly cried, their tears glided down their breasts, becoming reddened by ku&amp;amp;#324;kuma powder, and fell upon the lotus feet of their husband. Their hair became disarrayed, their ornaments fell, and in a way that evoked sympathy from the hearts of others, the queens began lamenting their husband's death.
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&lt;br/&gt;SB 7.2.33: O lord, you have now been removed by cruel providence to a state beyond our sight. You had previously sustained the livelihood of the inhabitants of U&amp;amp;#347;&amp;amp;#299;nara, and thus they were happy, but your condition now is the cause of their unhappiness.
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&lt;br/&gt;SB 7.2.34: O King, O hero, you were a very grateful husband and the most sincere friend of all of us. How shall we exist without you? O hero, wherever you are going, please direct us there so that we may follow in your footsteps and engage again in your service. Let us go along with you!
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&lt;br/&gt;SB 7.2.35: The time was appropriate for the body to be burned, but the queens, not allowing it to be taken away, continued lamenting for the dead body, which they kept on their laps. In the meantime, the sun completed its movements for setting in the west.
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&lt;br/&gt;SB 7.2.36: While the queens were lamenting for the dead body of the King, their loud cries were heard even from the abode of Yamar&amp;amp;#257;ja. Assuming the body of a boy, Yamar&amp;amp;#257;ja personally approached the relatives of the dead body and advised them as follows.
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&lt;br/&gt;SB 7.2.37: &amp;amp;#346;r&amp;#299; Yamar&amp;amp;#257;ja said: Alas, how amazing it is! These persons, who are older than me, have full experience that hundreds and thousands of living entities have taken birth and died. Thus they should understand that they also are apt to die, yet still they are bewildered. The conditioned soul comes from an unknown place and returns after death to that same unknown place. There is no exception to this rule, which is conducted by material nature. Knowing this, why do they uselessly lament?
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&lt;br/&gt;SB 7.2.38: It is wonderful that these elderly women do not have a higher sense of life than we do. Indeed, we are most fortunate, for although we are children and have been left to struggle in material life, unprotected by father and mother, and although we are very weak, we have not been vanquished or eaten by ferocious animals. Thus we have a firm belief that the Supreme Personality of Godhead, who has given us protection even in the womb of the mother, will protect us everywhere.
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&lt;br/&gt;SB 7.2.39: The boy addressed the women: O weak women! Only by the will of the Supreme Personality of Godhead, who is never diminished, is the entire world created, maintained and again annihilated. This is the verdict of the Vedic knowledge. This material creation, consisting of the moving and nonmoving, is exactly like His plaything. Being the Supreme Lord, He is completely competent to destroy and protect.
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&lt;br/&gt;SB 7.2.40: Sometimes one loses his money on a public street, where everyone can see it, and yet his money is protected by destiny and not seen by others. Thus the man who lost it gets it back. On the other hand, if the Lord does not give protection, even money maintained very securely at home is lost. If the Supreme Lord gives one protection, even though one has no protector and is in the jungle, one remains alive, whereas a person well protected at home by relatives and others sometimes dies, no one being able to protect him.
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&lt;br/&gt;SB 7.2.41: Every conditioned soul receives a different type of body according to his work, and when the engagement is finished the body is finished. Although the spirit soul is situated in subtle and gross material bodies in different forms of life, he is not bound by them, for he is always understood to be completely different from the manifested body.
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&lt;br/&gt;SB 7.2.42: Just as a householder, although different from the identity of his house, thinks his house to be identical with him, so the conditioned soul, due to ignorance, accepts the body to be himself, although the body is actually different from the soul. This body is obtained through a combination of portions of earth, water and fire, and when the earth, water and fire are transformed in the course of time, the body is vanquished. The soul has nothing to do with this creation and dissolution of the body.
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&lt;br/&gt;SB 7.2.43: As fire, although situated in wood, is perceived to be different from the wood, as air, although situated within the mouth and nostrils, is perceived to be separate, and as the sky, although all-pervading, never mixes with anything, so the living entity, although now encaged within the material body, of which it is the source, is separate from it.
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&lt;br/&gt;SB 7.2.44: Yamar&amp;amp;#257;ja continued: O lamenters, you are all fools! The person named Suyajña, for whom you lament, is still lying before you and has not gone anywhere. Then what is the cause for your lamentation? Previously he heard you and replied to you, but now, not finding him, you are lamenting. This is contradictory behavior, for you have never actually seen the person within the body who heard you and replied. There is no need for your lamentation, for the body you have always seen is lying here.
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&lt;br/&gt;SB 7.2.45: In the body the most important substance is the life air, but that also is neither the listener nor the speaker. Beyond even the life air, the soul also can do nothing, for the Supersoul is actually the director, in cooperation with the individual soul. The Supersoul conducting the activities of the body is different from the body and living force.
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&lt;br/&gt;SB 7.2.46: The five material elements, the ten senses and the mind all combine to form the various parts of the gross and subtle bodies. The living entity comes in contact with his material bodies, whether high or low, and later gives them up by his personal prowess. This strength can be perceived in a living entity's personal power to possess different types of bodies.
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&lt;br/&gt;SB 7.2.47: As long as the spirit soul is covered by the subtle body, consisting of the mind, intelligence and false ego, he is bound to the results of his fruitive activities. Because of this covering, the spirit soul is connected with the material energy and must accordingly suffer material conditions and reversals, continually, life after life.
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&lt;br/&gt;SB 7.2.48: It is fruitless to see and talk of the material modes of nature and their resultant so-called happiness and distress as if they were factual. When the mind wanders during the day and a man begins to think himself extremely important, or when he dreams at night and sees a beautiful woman enjoying with him, these are merely false dreams. Similarly, the happiness and distress caused by the material senses should be understood to be meaningless.
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&lt;br/&gt;SB 7.2.49: Those who have full knowledge of self-realization, who know very well that the spirit soul is eternal whereas the body is perishable, are not overwhelmed by lamentation. But persons who lack knowledge of self-realization certainly lament. Therefore it is difficult to educate a person in illusion.
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&lt;br/&gt;SB 7.2.50: There was once a hunter who lured birds with food and captured them after spreading a net. He lived as if appointed by death personified as the killer of the birds.
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&lt;br/&gt;SB 7.2.51: While wandering in the forest, the hunter saw a pair of kuli&amp;amp;#324;ga birds. Of the two, the female was captivated by the hunter's lure.
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&lt;br/&gt;SB 7.2.52: O queens of Suyajña, the male kuli&amp;amp;#324;ga bird, seeing his wife put into the greatest danger in the grip of Providence, became very unhappy. Because of affection, the poor bird, being unable to release her, began to lament for his wife.
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&lt;br/&gt;SB 7.2.53: Alas, how merciless is Providence! My wife, unable to be helped by anyone, is in such an awkward position and lamenting for me. What will Providence gain by taking away this poor bird? What will be the profit?
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&lt;br/&gt;SB 7.2.54: If unkind Providence takes away my wife, who is half my body, why should He not take me also? What is the use of my living with half of my body, bereaved by loss of my wife? What shall I gain in this way?
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&lt;br/&gt;SB 7.2.55: The unfortunate baby birds, bereft of their mother, are waiting in the nest for her to feed them. They are still very small and have not yet grown their wings. How shall I be able to maintain them?
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&lt;br/&gt;SB 7.2.56: Because of the loss of his wife, the kuli&amp;amp;#324;ga bird lamented with tears in his eyes. Meanwhile, following the dictations of mature time, the hunter, who was very carefully hidden in the distance, released his arrow, which pierced the body of the kuli&amp;amp;#324;ga bird and killed him.
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&lt;br/&gt;SB 7.2.57: Thus Yamar&amp;amp;#257;ja, in the guise of a small boy, told all the queens: You are all so foolish that you lament but do not see your own death. Afflicted by a poor fund of knowledge, you do not know that even if you lament for your dead husband for hundreds of years, you will never get him back alive, and in the meantime your lives will be finished.
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&lt;br/&gt;SB 7.2.58: Hiran&amp;amp;#803;yaka&amp;amp;#347;ipu said: While Yamar&amp;amp;#257;ja, in the form of a small boy, was instructing all the relatives surrounding the dead body of Suyajña, everyone was struck with wonder by his philosophical words. They could understand that everything material is temporary, not continuing to exist.
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&lt;br/&gt;SB 7.2.59: After instructing all the foolish relatives of Suyajña, Yamar&amp;amp;#257;ja, in the form of a boy, disappeared from their vision. Then the relatives of King Suyajña performed the ritualistic funeral ceremonies.
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&lt;br/&gt;SB 7.2.60: Therefore none of you should be aggrieved for the loss of the body — whether your own or those of others. Only in ignorance does one make bodily distinctions, thinking "Who am I? Who are the others? What is mine? What is for others?"
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&lt;br/&gt;SB 7.2.61: &amp;amp;#346;r&amp;#299; N&amp;amp;#257;rada Muni continued: Diti, the mother of Hiran&amp;amp;#803;yaka&amp;amp;#347;ipu and Hiran&amp;amp;#803;y&amp;amp;#257;ks&amp;amp;#803;a, heard the instructions of Hiran&amp;amp;#803;yaka&amp;amp;#347;ipu along with her daughter-in-law, Rus&amp;amp;#803;&amp;amp;#257;bh&amp;amp;#257;nu, Hiran&amp;amp;#803;y&amp;amp;#257;ks&amp;amp;#803;a's wife. She then forgot her grief over her son's death and thus engaged her mind and attention in understanding the real philosophy of life.
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    <dc:creator>NityanandaRam</dc:creator>
    <dc:date>2005-04-08T21:58:07Z</dc:date>
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  <entry>
    <title>those silly mortals</title>
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    <author>
      <name>spunone</name>
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    <updated>2005-04-27T23:36:05Z</updated>
    <published>2005-04-14T23:45:18Z</published>
    <summary type="html">&lt;div&gt; You will never guess what happened to me the other day. This mortal with an obviously depleted and underinflated ego, actually smiled at me! Can you believe it? I can only imagine how wonderful those years of repression built up just all of a sudden went kabloomy, all from a little smile...  :)&lt;/div&gt;
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    <dc:creator>spunone</dc:creator>
    <dc:date>2005-04-14T23:45:18Z</dc:date>
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  <entry>
    <title>Marla Ruzicka &amp;amp; hovering souls</title>
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      <name>bellaT</name>
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    <id>http://immortalitymortality.tribe.net/thread/4778d8b6-1dd4-4157-8394-d4db7bfc2b54</id>
    <updated>2005-04-21T05:17:14Z</updated>
    <published>2005-04-21T05:17:14Z</published>
    <summary type="html">&lt;div&gt;I have not been able to stop thinking about this incredible, determined, adorably pretty, brilliant and defiant young woman named Marla Ruzicka....have you all read the following tribe listing and read the news about her?
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&lt;br/&gt;As for immortality and mortality.  Here is a flame of compassion that seemed to fly in the face of mortality's wind...and who did such brave and important things that she is very much loved and right now many prayers are being sent to her.
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&lt;br/&gt;She left her physical body on April 15th, Saturday.  It must have happened quickly, as it was a car bomb explosion.  I wonder whether her soul was immediately aware of what had occurred....surely now, if one conceives that the soul hovers about for a while after death surveying loved ones and places that one had frequented (the American Indians believe....this terrestrial hovering goes on for 7 days) then Marla Ruzka is floating about and connecting with the collective energy of those thinking of her and of everything she held dear in life.  Afghanistan was one of her most beloved stomping grounds....she'd just recently moved to NYC, but was in Iraq in the thick of where violence exists.  A short, passionate, giving life....living on in so many hearts. It's things like this that completely throw the law of good happening to good as far as karma goes, out the window.  Then there are those that would say, "well, in the grand scheme of things, it's all meant to be" and that "there is a reason why this is for the best"....
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&lt;br/&gt;Candide....the best of all possible worlds.  Hmmm...is Marla approving this destiny right now, or chomping at the bit, to get back in her body and continue the work?!  She was not planning on dying over the week end.  Still, there must have been some unspoken contract beween her and fate, to do what she did...
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&lt;br/&gt;One hopes that such beautiful souls are going to be around in some form or another forever.
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&lt;br/&gt;Here are some links:  
&lt;br/&gt;http://beta.news.yahoo.com/s/chitribts/iraqbombtakesangelofmercy
&lt;br/&gt;http://3quarksdaily.blogs.com/3quarksdaily/
&lt;br/&gt;http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/newsnight/3052726.stm
&lt;br/&gt;http://www.feminist.org/news/newsbyte/uswire.asp
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&lt;br/&gt;Below is the Tribe listing from one of her friends who is grieving:
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&lt;br/&gt;If you haven't already heard by now, a shining light in the fight for humanitarian aid and civil rights was lost this weekend. Her name was Marla Ruzicka. She was a dear friend of mine, and I miss her terribly. But I know that across the globe, in war torn countries, lives an even greater void in the hearts of the people she helped. 
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&lt;br/&gt;She was a truly amazing woman. Hell, she mooned the president in the name of public power and sold beer on the black market to raise money for wounded civilians. What's not to like? 
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&lt;br/&gt;Please take a moment to read a little about her. It would mean a lot to me to know that people know about the work she gave her life for. 
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&lt;br/&gt;There are hundreds of articles, here's one: 
&lt;br/&gt;sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi
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&lt;br/&gt;Or if you prefer to listen, here's a piece from Morning Edition: 
&lt;br/&gt;www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php
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&lt;br/&gt;Here's the nonprofit she founded: 
&lt;br/&gt;www.civicworldwide.org 
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&lt;br/&gt;I think a lot of people would think that what she undertook was crazy. And it probably was. It's crazy to have so much optimism. It's crazy to believe that it's possible for a lone unarmed slender young woman to go traipsing around a war zone knocking on doors. It's crazy to believe she could save people and help families. It's crazy to think you can just call up a senator enough times to raise $20 million to help wounded civilians (a completely unprecedented concept). It's crazy to travel around with $20 in your bank account and think you can raise millions. 
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&lt;br/&gt;But that's exactly what she did. 
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&lt;br/&gt;Maybe that kind of crazy is just a lack of cynicism, an optimism that we tend to believe is impossible. 
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&lt;br/&gt;Maybe that's a kind of crazy we could all benefit from. It's the kind of crazy she's inspired me to strive toward. 
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&lt;br/&gt;Please feel free to repost this message if you know others who you think would like to know about Marla and her work. 
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&lt;br/&gt;To view this listing, click here: 
&lt;br/&gt;sanfrancisco.tribe.net/listin...c9850e-dcfc-44db-a464-ee24740f19a3&lt;/div&gt;
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    <dc:creator>bellaT</dc:creator>
    <dc:date>2005-04-21T05:17:14Z</dc:date>
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  <entry>
    <title>Immortal Pope</title>
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      <name>bellaT</name>
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    <updated>2005-04-16T01:15:20Z</updated>
    <published>2005-04-07T18:14:31Z</published>
    <summary type="html">&lt;div&gt;Over a million people have seen the dead body of the pope already, since he transitioned on Sunday (was it?  If so, how appropo!)  I was on a Virgin airlines airplane on my way back from England to LA, while watching the news of his death via sky TV, experiencing extreme turbulance.  People were screaming and suddenly the man sitting next to me, became quite important to me, if I was going to go down sitting next to him.  It's incredible how connected you suddenly feel to everyone around you, when the possibility of your collective death is thrown into the mix!  Suddenly you are all simply souls....all the accessories, handbags, luggage, clothes, shoes, the magazine or book one was reading, mean nought....zero....nada....we are all souls inhabiting bodies and nothing more is what lightning darts into ones mind.
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&lt;br/&gt;Back to the Pope...he was friends with my acting teacher, a legendary acting coach from Poland named Ossetynski.  He and the Pope grew up together in Poland and in fact he coached the Pope on radiating his presence and some other theatre techniques.  Ossetynski was very fond of Karol Wojtyla (the Pope) and said he was truly a good man.  Because Ossetynski was a key figure in my life, a mentor in fact, I always felt a special connection to the Pope, a sort of closeness by association.  I don't agree with all his views, such as his disapproval of contraception, but...still, I do think he was quite good as Pope's go.  He was against the U.S.'s attack of Iraq, but I think he could have made a bigger stink about it...then again, the media needs to make a stink about something in order for the stench to be smelled.  This is one of the great things about English media, you get all the smells.
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&lt;br/&gt;Anyway, the morning before, in London, over breakfast at home with my mother and sister, we were reading the headlines and my mother said "it must be a comforting feeling to be dying and to know that millions upon millions of people are thinking of you with love and praying for you."  I added, "and to be so firm in the belief that death is a gateway to your being with the source of your love in the form of Christ."  
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&lt;br/&gt;In visiting various cathedrals in England, including the 11th centruey Salisbury cathedral (truly potently atmospheric and full of the ethos of centuries of prayer) I realised sadly, that I don't believe in my being saved into eternal life via the savior.  As I walked by the tombs of knights, ladies, kings and Queens, noblemen and patrons, tattered flags and giant organ pipes, I contemplated the elaborate nature and ceremony of this religion.
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&lt;br/&gt;The question floated to me, as if on a whiff of frankincense "What if this is really true?"  Almost immediately following this thought came the response "But it doesn't make sense to me....I can't believe just for the sake of believing".
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&lt;br/&gt;Or can I?  I do this in life regarding things that I want for myself or others....believe against all reason or logic.
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&lt;br/&gt;I suppose, where this faith stumbles my ability to believe is the didactical, believe it or be damned equation.  I also cannot imagine that innocent peoples living in jungles and deserts are not every bit as much children of God as any one else, providing they have a system of ethics.
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&lt;br/&gt;Then again, are all these ornate tombs and cathedrals so much stone fashioned in vain?  Is all that faith unjustified.
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&lt;br/&gt;This whole child of God thing, extends in my mind and soul to animals as well...but not to cocroaches.  Those poor critters, seem damned.  I too, have speciesm when it gets to a certain level...
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&lt;br/&gt;But I digress...
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&lt;br/&gt;Another question remains and hovers about our recently deceased Pope. Accumulative energy....collective consciousness....the power of it....morphic resonance...what's the tem I'm looking for?  Basically, the idea that if enough thought energy and belief is focused on a certain thing it manifests its reality.  So...if millions upon millions of people envision the Pope a the right side of Christ in the Kingdom of heaven, it could create this in a parrallell reality.
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&lt;br/&gt;In this way, the Pope indeed lives on forever in heaven.
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&lt;br/&gt;Heaven perhaps is a consciousness of heaven.  
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&lt;br/&gt;If a person is prayed to and for by millions of thought waves...the energetic mass is sure to amount to something real.  Quantum physics supports this as does mystical theory.
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&lt;br/&gt;Is immortality therefore a parrallell universe formed by enough accumulative belief?
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&lt;br/&gt;The thought of death being a stasis is just too hollow a concept for me to accept.  Is the void ever truly empty?  Methinks the void is akin to a womb.  It's full of potential and resonances of the past as well, yet present to it's temporalness.
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&lt;br/&gt;And...about now...the conceptual tongue is lost in space....
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    <dc:date>2005-04-07T18:14:31Z</dc:date>
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  <entry>
    <title>Acceptance of death</title>
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      <name>bellaT</name>
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    <updated>2005-04-15T23:26:13Z</updated>
    <published>2005-04-15T23:26:13Z</published>
    <summary type="html">&lt;div&gt;I sometimes have hypnotherapy clients that come to me to address their terror of death...or they come to me for panic attacks and at the core of the panic is the fear of death.  
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&lt;br/&gt;It's always a fascinating puzzle as to what keys to use to balance the individual.
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&lt;br/&gt;Sometimes, what we do is explore the fear and drop through it so to speak to a sort of void like, neutral place, within which often emerges a supreme peace.  Other times, we address the symptoms first, creating tools to immeditely intercept the panic and normalise the person.  Triggers, thought patterns, emotional patterns, associative memory, situations, biochemistry, blood sugar, etc.  are all components.
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&lt;br/&gt;I had panic attacks myself for about 2 mos about the subject of death.  It was excruciatingly scarey when they would come on.  I wound up just retraining my mind/body via self hypnosis to an accepting place, even of the fear but somehow not subscribing to it.  
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&lt;br/&gt;There have been times, I just didn't believe in death and it doesn't seem real.  It's when it feels real that I've freaked.  To feel it as real and take it as it comes seems to me what surrender is...not to transcend or fight, but go with it.  Gosh, just thinking about this gets me quite choked up with emotion.
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&lt;br/&gt;Our lives are like individual poems.  When it gets to the last line, we may want to add another and another....
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&lt;br/&gt;How we write our lives, is what we have most authorship over....but how we die, is also as important.
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&lt;br/&gt;I don't have panic attacks about death anymore.  I think I have accepted it.  To be completely sure, I every so often check in with myself to see.  I imagine being faced with iminent death...a natural one.  I take myself through that story and see if fear comes up.  If it does then I see what it is saying.  I talk to it.
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&lt;br/&gt;Death is so removed from our realities in society, with regard to natural processes and everything is geared to our not thinking about it as much as possible, except with regard to sensationalist news items.  Quite a wacky equation.
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&lt;br/&gt;When you go to the country, you feel the energy of life spans in the air around the towns...it's sort of comforting in a melancholy way, after the invisible, slick, matrix of a city, making life seem so on the go and self important.
&lt;br/&gt;
&lt;br/&gt;Live! Live! Live!  And then you die....
&lt;br/&gt;
&lt;br/&gt;Okay and then come all the theories of what happens next, many of which may just be an elaborate scheme not to feel so bad about it.
&lt;br/&gt;
&lt;br/&gt;Others....others to me, do have validity.  I'll get into what I sense happens some other time.
&lt;br/&gt;
&lt;br/&gt;To be continued.&lt;/div&gt;
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    <dc:date>2005-04-15T23:26:13Z</dc:date>
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  <entry>
    <title>physical immortality as a goal</title>
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    <author>
      <name>dlight</name>
    </author>
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    <updated>2005-02-16T09:05:10Z</updated>
    <published>2005-02-07T04:33:24Z</published>
    <summary type="html">&lt;div&gt;About 10 years ago I was really into the concept of physical immortality.  I still think it would be wonderful, but it hasn't been a major focus lately.
&lt;br/&gt;
&lt;br/&gt;I was really fascinated with the idea of doing very strong cathartic psychological healing techniques (similar to primal therapy) and also using psychedelics, hypnosis and other very deep healing methodologies in an attempt to clean our emotional plates so that we could stop or reverse the aging process.   This of course is based on the concept that emotional/transpersonal issues underlie all medical problems, which is a principle that I still more or less adhere to. 
&lt;br/&gt;
&lt;br/&gt;In the last couple decades however, there's been a revolution in medical science with the rise of genetic engineering now so physical immortality no longer seems like science fiction.   In fact,  it seems reasonable that if we can just stay healthy long enough,  medical science will be healing disease and reversing aging quicker than we can mainfest them.    Of course it's always difficult to predict when any new technology will become available in practical terms so it's hard to say if we'll live to see that threshold.   But with the exponential explosion of science now,  I'd say it's quite probable that if someone is alive 30 years from now,  they may be able to live forever.
&lt;br/&gt;
&lt;br/&gt;At the time,  I was considering forming a group to work towards this goal.   But then at the Transpersonal Psychology Conference (organized by Stanislav Grof) in Praque I met this guy who claimed he already was part of a cool group focused on immortality and in fact its main meeting was coming up in a couple months in Scottsdale AZ.   I couldn't pass this up so I flew to AZ for the conference.
&lt;br/&gt;
&lt;br/&gt;
&lt;br/&gt;To make a long story short it turned out to be a cult called CBJ,  named for the trio of cult leaders.   The fellow I met in Prague was the only intelligent person there,  the rest were mindless automatons (ok I'm exaggerating slightly).
&lt;br/&gt;
&lt;br/&gt;It was rather bizarre and perverse seeing ideas that I believed in quite strongly being turned into this cult where all you had to do was believe in them to become immortal.   No healing methods or anything else necessary.   They were selling t-shirts saying:  "Death Sucks,  Stay Alive"
&lt;br/&gt;
&lt;br/&gt;Although I'm not the type to fall into a cult, it was still cool to see people comfortable with the idea of physical immortality.    But it was pretty funny as well.   The sad thing was seeing people being bilked out of their money which wasn't pretty.
&lt;br/&gt;
&lt;br/&gt;Here are some links to the history of this cult:
&lt;br/&gt;http://www.whyaretheydead.net/misc/Factnet/CJB.TXT
&lt;br/&gt;http://cultinfobooks.com/detail.asp?product_id=CSJ11-01C
&lt;br/&gt;
&lt;br/&gt;Of course anyone familiar with hypnosis can understand how powerful the cult trance phenomena can be.
&lt;br/&gt;
&lt;br/&gt;I'm still into the idea of radical emotional healing whether or not it would cause us to live forever, cause I've seen the awesome magical power that can be conjured up.&lt;/div&gt;
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  <entry>
    <title>DNA Awakening Article</title>
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      <name>phisolama</name>
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    <updated>2005-02-11T19:07:47Z</updated>
    <published>2005-02-11T19:07:47Z</published>
    <summary type="html">&lt;div&gt;Russian DNA Discoveries Explain Human 'Paranormal' Events 
&lt;br/&gt;Summarized by Baerbel Edited and translated
&lt;br/&gt;1-17-5
&lt;br/&gt; 
&lt;br/&gt;Esoteric and spiritual teachers have known for ages that our body is programmable by language, words and thought. This has now been scientifically proven and explained. 
&lt;br/&gt;  
&lt;br/&gt;The human DNA is a biological Internet and superior in many aspects to the artificial one. The latest Russian scientific research directly or indirectly explains phenomena such as clairvoyance, intuition, spontaneous and remote acts of healing, self healing, affirmation techniques, unusual light/auras around people (namely spiritual masters), mindâ¬"s influence on weather patterns and much more. 
&lt;br/&gt;  
&lt;br/&gt;In addition, there is evidence for a whole new type of medicine in which DNA can be influenced and reprogrammed by words and frequencies WITHOUT cutting out and replacing single genes. Only 10% of our DNA is being used for building proteins. It is this subset of DNA that is of interest to western researchers and is being examined and categorized. The other 90% are considered "junk DNA." 
&lt;br/&gt;  
&lt;br/&gt;The Russian researchers, however, convinced that nature was not dumb, joined linguists and geneticists in a venture to explore that 90% of "junk DNA." Their results, findings and conclusions are simply revolutionary! 
&lt;br/&gt;  
&lt;br/&gt;According to there findings, our DNA is not only responsible for the construction of our body but also serves as data storage and communication. The Russian linguists found that the genetic code - especially in the apparent "useless" 90% - follows the same rules as all our human languages. 
&lt;br/&gt;  
&lt;br/&gt;To this end they compared the rules of syntax (the way in which words are put together to form phrases and sentences), semantics (the study of meaning in language forms) and the basic rules of grammar. They found that the alkalines of our DNA follow a regular grammar and do have set rules just like our languages. Therefore, human languages did not appear coincidentally but are a reflection of our inherent DNA. 
&lt;br/&gt;  
&lt;br/&gt;The Russian biophysicist and molecular biologist Pjotr Garjajev and his colleagues also explored the vibrational behavior of DNA. In brief the bottom line was: "Living chromosomes function just like a holographic computer using endogenous DNA laser radiation." This means that they managed, for example, to modulate certain frequency patterns (sound) onto a laser-like ray which influenced DNA frequency and thus the genetic information itself. 
&lt;br/&gt;  
&lt;br/&gt;Since the basic structure of DNA-alkaline pairs and of language (as explained earlier) is of the same structure, no DNA decoding is necessary. One can simply use words and sentences of the human language! This, too, was experimentally proven! 
&lt;br/&gt;  
&lt;br/&gt;Living DNA substance (in living tissue, not in vitro) will always react to language-modulated laser rays and even to radio waves, if the proper frequencies (sound) are being used. This finally and scientifically explains why affirmations, hypnosis and the like can have such strong effects on humans and their bodies. It is entirely normal and natural for our DNA to react to language. 
&lt;br/&gt;  
&lt;br/&gt;While western researchers cut single genes from DNA strands and insert them elsewhere, the Russians enthusiastically created devices that influence cellular metabolism through modulated radio and light frequencies, thus repairing genetic defects. 
&lt;br/&gt;  
&lt;br/&gt;They even captured information patterns of a particular DNA and transmitted it onto another, thus reprogramming cells to another genome. So they successfully transformed, for example, frog embryos to salamander embryos simply by transmitting the DNA information patterns! This way the entire information was transmitted without any of the side effects or disharmonies encountered when cutting out and re-introducing single genes from the DNA. 
&lt;br/&gt;  
&lt;br/&gt;This represents an unbelievable, world-transforming revolution and sensation: by simply applying vibration (sound frequencies) and language instead of the archaic cutting-out procedure! 
&lt;br/&gt;  
&lt;br/&gt;This experiment points to the immense power of wave genetics, which obviously has a greater influence on the formation of organisms than the biochemical processes of alkaline sequences. 
&lt;br/&gt;  
&lt;br/&gt;Esoteric and spiritual teachers have known for ages that our body is programmable by language, words and thought. This has now been scientifically proven and explained. 
&lt;br/&gt;  
&lt;br/&gt;Of course the frequency has to be correct. And this is why not everybody is equally successful or can do it with always the same strength. The individual person must work on the inner processes and development in order to establish a conscious communication with the DNA. 
&lt;br/&gt;  
&lt;br/&gt;The Russian researchers work on a method that is not dependent on these factors but will ALWAYS work, provided one uses the correct frequency. But the higher developed an individual's consciousness is, the less need is there for any type of device: one can achieve these results by oneself. Science will finally stop laughing at such ideas and will confirm and explain the results. And it doesn't end there. 
&lt;br/&gt;  
&lt;br/&gt;The Russian scientists also found out that our DNA can cause disturbing patterns in a vacuum, thus producing magnetized wormholes! Wormholes are the microscopic equivalents of the so-called Einstein-Rosen bridges in the vicinity of black holes (left by burned-out stars). 
&lt;br/&gt;  
&lt;br/&gt;These are tunnel connections between entirely different areas in the universe through which information can be transmitted outside of space and time. The DNA attracts these bits of information and passes them on to our consciousness. This process of hyper-communication (telepathy, channeling) is most effective in a state of relaxation. 
&lt;br/&gt;  
&lt;br/&gt;Stress, worry or a hyperactive intellect prevent successful hyper-communication or the information will be totally distorted and useless. In nature, hyper-communication has been successfully applied for millions of years. The organized flow of life in insects proves this dramatically. Modern man knows it only on a much more subtle level as "intuition." But we, too, can regain full use of it. 
&lt;br/&gt;  
&lt;br/&gt;As an example from nature, when a queen ant is separated from her colony, the remaining worker ants will continue building fervently according to plan. However, if the queen is killed, all work in the colony stops. No ant will know what to do. Apparently, the queen transmits the "building plans" even if far away - via the group consciousness with her subjects. She can be as far away as she wants, as long as she is alive. 
&lt;br/&gt;  
&lt;br/&gt;In humans, hyper-communication is most often encountered when one suddenly gains access to information that is outside one's knowledge base. Such hyper-communication is then experienced as inspiration or intuition (also in trance channeling). The Italian composer Giuseppe Tartini, for instance, dreamt one night that a devil sat at his bedside playing the violin. The next morning Tartini was able to note down the piece exactly from memory. He called it the Devil's Trill Sonata. 
&lt;br/&gt;  
&lt;br/&gt;For years, a 42-year old male nurse dreamt of a situation in which he was hooked up to a kind of knowledge CD-ROM. Verifiable knowledge from all imaginable fields was then transmitted to him that he was able to recall in the morning. There was such a flood of information that it seemed a whole encyclopedia was transmitted at night. The majorities of facts were outside his personal knowledge base and reached technical details of which he knew absolutely nothing. When hyper-communication occurs, one can observe in the DNA, as well as in the human, supernatural phenomena. 
&lt;br/&gt;  
&lt;br/&gt;The Russian scientists irradiated DNA samples with laser light. On screen, a typical wave pattern was formed. When they removed the DNA sample, the wave pattern did not disappear, it remained. Many controlled experiments showed that the pattern continued to come from the removed sample, whose energy field apparently remained by itself. This effect is now called phantom DNA effect. It is surmised that energy from outside of space and time still flows through the activated wormholes after the DNA was removed. The side effects encountered most often in hyper-communication in humans are inexplicable electromagnetic fields in the vicinity of the persons concerned. 
&lt;br/&gt;  
&lt;br/&gt;Electronic devices like CD players and the like can be irritated and cease to function for hours. When the electromagnetic field slowly dissipates, the devices function normally again. Many healers and psychics know this effect from their work: the better the atmosphere and energy, the more frustrating it can be for recording devices as they stop functioning at that exact moment. Often by next morning all is back to normal. 
&lt;br/&gt;  
&lt;br/&gt;Perhaps this is reassuring to read for many, as it has nothing to do with them being technically inept; it means they are good at hyper-communication. 
&lt;br/&gt;  
&lt;br/&gt;In their book Vernetzte Intelligenz, Grazyna Gosar and Franz Bludorf explain these connections precisely and clearly. The authors also quote sources presuming that in earlier times humanity had been just like the animals: very strongly connected to group consciousness and thereby acted as a group. In order to develop and experience individuality, however, we humans had to forget hyper-communication almost completely. 
&lt;br/&gt;  
&lt;br/&gt;Now that we are fairly stable in our individual consciousness, we can create a new form of group consciousness - namely one in which we attain access to all information via our DNA without being forced or remotely controlled about what to do with that information. We now know that just as we use the internet, our DNA can feed proper data into the network, can retrieve data from the network, and can establish contact with other participants in the network. Remote healing, telepathy or "remote sensing" about the state of another can thus be explained. Some animals know from afar when their owners plan to return home. This can be freshly interpreted and explained via the concepts of group consciousness and hyper-communication. 
&lt;br/&gt;  
&lt;br/&gt;Any collective consciousness cannot be sensibly used over any period of time without a distinctive individuality; otherwise we would revert to a primitive herd instinct that is easily manipulated. Hyper-communication in the new millennium means something quite different. 
&lt;br/&gt;  
&lt;br/&gt;Researchers think that if humans with full individuality would regain group consciousness, they would have a god-like power to create, alter and shape things on Earth! AND humanity is collectively moving toward such a group consciousness of the new kind. 
&lt;br/&gt;  
&lt;br/&gt;Fifty percent of children will become a problem as soon as they go to school, since the system lumps everyone together and demands adjustment. But the individuality of today's children is so strong that they refuse this adjustment and resist giving up their idiosyncrasies in the most diverse ways. 
&lt;br/&gt;  
&lt;br/&gt;At the same time more and more clairvoyant children are born. Something in those children is striving more towards the group consciousness of the new kind, and it can no longer be suppressed. 
&lt;br/&gt;  
&lt;br/&gt;As a rule, weather for example is rather difficult to influence by a single individual. But it may be influenced by group consciousness (nothing new about this to some indigenous tribes). Weather is strongly influenced by Earth resonance frequencies (Schumann frequencies). But those same frequencies are also produced in our brains, and when many people synchronize their thinking or when individuals (spiritual masters, for instance) focus their thoughts in a laser-like fashion, then it is not at all surprising that they can influence the weather. 
&lt;br/&gt;  
&lt;br/&gt;A modern day civilization which develops group consciousness would have neither environmental problems nor scarcity of energy: for if it were to use such mental powers as a unified civilization, it would have control of the energies of its home planet as a natural consequence. 
&lt;br/&gt;  
&lt;br/&gt;When a great number of people become unified with higher intention as in meditating on peace - potentials of violence also dissolve. 
&lt;br/&gt;  
&lt;br/&gt;Apparently, DNA is also an organic superconductor that can work at normal body temperature, as opposed to artificial superconductors which require extremely low temperatures between 200 and 140Â°C to function. In addition, all superconductors are able to store light and thus information. This further explains how DNA can store information. 
&lt;br/&gt;  
&lt;br/&gt;There is another phenomenon linked to DNA and wormholes. Normally, these super-small wormholes are highly unstable and are maintained only for the tiniest fractions of a second. Under certain conditions stable wormholes can organize themselves, which then form distinctive vacuum domains in which for example, gravity can transform into electricity. Vacuum domains are self-radiant balls of ionized gas that contain considerable amounts of energy. There are regions in Russia where such radiant balls appear very often. 
&lt;br/&gt;  
&lt;br/&gt;Following the ensuing confusion the Russians started massive research programs leading finally to some of the discoveries mentions above. Many people know vacuum domains as shiny balls in the sky. The attentive look at them in wonder and ask themselves, what they could be. 
&lt;br/&gt;  
&lt;br/&gt;I thought once: "Hello up there. If you happen to be a UFO, fly in a triangle." And suddenly, the light balls moved in a triangle. Or they shot across the sky like ice hockey pucks: they accelerated from zero to crazy speeds while sliding silently across the sky. One is left gawking and I have, as many others, too, thought them to be UFOs. Friendly ones, apparently, as they flew in triangles just to please me. 
&lt;br/&gt;  
&lt;br/&gt;Now, the Russians found - in the regions where vacuum domains often appear - that sometimes fly as balls of light from the ground upwards into the sky, and that these balls can be guided by thought. Since then it has been found that vacuum domains emit waves of low frequency that are also produced in our brains and because of this similarity of waves they are able to react to our thoughts. To run excitedly into one that is on ground level might not be such a great idea, because those balls of light can contain immense energies and are capable of mutating our genes. 
&lt;br/&gt;  
&lt;br/&gt;Many spiritual teachers also produce such visible balls or columns of light in deep meditation or during energy work, which trigger decidedly pleasant feelings and do not cause any harm. Apparently this is also dependent on some inner order, quality and origin of the vacuum domain. There are some spiritual teachers, like the young Englishman Ananda, for example, with whom nothing is seen at first, but when one tries to take a photograph while they sit and speak or meditate in hyper-communication, one gets only a picture of a white cloud on a chair. 
&lt;br/&gt;  
&lt;br/&gt;In certain Earth healing projects, such light effects also appear on photographs. Simply put, this phenomena has to do with gravity and anti-gravity forces that are ever more stable forms of wormholes and displays of hyper-communication with energies from outside our time and space structure. Earlier generations that experienced such hyper-communication and visible vacuum domains were convinced that an angel had appeared before them: and we cannot be too sure to what forms of consciousness we can get access when using hyper-communication. 
&lt;br/&gt;  
&lt;br/&gt;Not having scientific proof for their actual existence, people having had such experiences do NOT all suffer from hallucinations. We have simply made another giant step towards understanding our reality. Official science also knows of gravity anomalies on Earth that contribute to the formation of vacuum domains. Recently gravity anomalies have been found in Rocca di Papa, south of Rome. 
&lt;br/&gt;  
&lt;br/&gt;........... 
&lt;br/&gt;  
&lt;br/&gt;The full article can be viewed - in English - on the Kontext website 
&lt;br/&gt;  
&lt;br/&gt;http://www.fosar-bludorf.com/index_eng.htm 
&lt;br/&gt;  
&lt;br/&gt;  
&lt;br/&gt;All information is from the book "Vernetzte Intelligenz" von Grazyna Fosar und Franz Bludorf, ISBN 3930243237, summarized and commented by Baerbel. The book is unfortunately only available in German so far. You can reach the authors here: 
&lt;br/&gt;  
&lt;br/&gt;Kontext - Forum for Border Science 
&lt;br/&gt;http://www.fosar-bludorf.com
&lt;br/&gt; &lt;/div&gt;
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  <entry>
    <title>redemption?</title>
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    <author>
      <name>bellaT</name>
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    <updated>2005-02-03T20:08:54Z</updated>
    <published>2004-12-27T00:48:32Z</published>
    <summary type="html">&lt;div&gt;With Christmas in the air and all that it rustles up from within our souls and psyches, not to mention the bizarre, seemingly apocalyptic, fin de siecle atmosphere that infuses our mainstream news and airwaves...REDEMPTION is an increasingly appealing idea and philosophical, theologically relevant question.
&lt;br/&gt;
&lt;br/&gt;Can murder in any way be redeemed?  
&lt;br/&gt;
&lt;br/&gt;I am astonished by how the Bush Administration and all those fundamentalist Christians who march to the "siants go marching on" type drumroll, justifying war as if it were sanctioned by a league of white robe clad, sword bearing angels who are on "our" side to defeat the "evil-doers" at whatever costs to life and environment becuase we are the "land of the free" and by virtue of political leaning, the true.
&lt;br/&gt;
&lt;br/&gt;Did not Christ allegedly say that killing was under no circumstances alright and that not a stone should be cast on a village if even there were one righteous person inhabiting it?
&lt;br/&gt;
&lt;br/&gt;Untold thousands of innocent civillians were killed in Iraq under the pretenses of getting a small number of bad guys.  Where is the morality or redemption in that.
&lt;br/&gt;
&lt;br/&gt;Iraqi's would rather have Saddam back than what has happened and yet the absurdly skewed concept of ethics promoted by this government would have us believe that what was done was in fact liberating and morally, spiritually justified.  Worse still...God is sloganed onto the agenda as if the almighty itself were a corporate sponsor!
&lt;br/&gt;
&lt;br/&gt;Nothing can redeem this travesty of morality and justice, no number of "Hail Mary's", no number of "Our Father's" or even public apologies.
&lt;br/&gt;
&lt;br/&gt;We need to take responsibility for redeeming whatever we do while we are here and not leaving it up to the powers of Christ's sacrifice to absorb all the dirty deeds.  To me, this attitude towards absolvence is worse than bratty, it's downright presumptuous.  If one were a trust fund baby, daddy could pick up the tab for the totalled car or trashed hotel room...it's as if some Christians have the attitude that as long as they "believe" in their being saved or redeemed, they can do whatever they want.  
&lt;br/&gt;
&lt;br/&gt;Any other thoughts on this?
&lt;br/&gt;
&lt;br/&gt;Bella&lt;/div&gt;
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    <dc:date>2004-12-27T00:48:32Z</dc:date>
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  <entry>
    <title>Bob Marley redemption Song - an eternal song</title>
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      <name>bellaT</name>
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    <updated>2005-01-30T00:43:05Z</updated>
    <published>2005-01-30T00:43:05Z</published>
    <summary type="html">&lt;div&gt;Redemption Song        -  by the eternal, Bob Marley
&lt;br/&gt;
&lt;br/&gt;Old pirates, yes, they rob I;
&lt;br/&gt;Sold I to the merchant ships,
&lt;br/&gt;Minutes after they took I
&lt;br/&gt;From the bottomless pit.
&lt;br/&gt;But my hand was made strong
&lt;br/&gt;By the 'and of the Almighty.
&lt;br/&gt;We forward in this generation
&lt;br/&gt;Triumphantly.
&lt;br/&gt;Won't you help to sing
&lt;br/&gt;These songs of freedom? -
&lt;br/&gt;'Cause all I ever have:
&lt;br/&gt;Redemption songs;
&lt;br/&gt;Redemption songs.
&lt;br/&gt;
&lt;br/&gt;Emancipate yourselves from mental slavery;
&lt;br/&gt;None but ourselves can free our minds.
&lt;br/&gt;Have no fear for atomic energy,
&lt;br/&gt;'Cause none of them can stop the time.
&lt;br/&gt;How long shall they kill our prophets,
&lt;br/&gt;While we stand aside and look? Ooh!
&lt;br/&gt;Some say it's just a part of it:
&lt;br/&gt;We've got to fullfil the book.
&lt;br/&gt;
&lt;br/&gt;Won't you help to sing
&lt;br/&gt;These songs of freedom? -
&lt;br/&gt;'Cause all I ever have:
&lt;br/&gt;Redemption songs;
&lt;br/&gt;Redemption songs;
&lt;br/&gt;Redemption songs.
&lt;br/&gt;---
&lt;br/&gt;/Guitar break/
&lt;br/&gt;---
&lt;br/&gt;Emancipate yourselves from mental slavery;
&lt;br/&gt;None but ourselves can free our mind.
&lt;br/&gt;Wo! Have no fear for atomic energy,
&lt;br/&gt;'Cause none of them-a can-a stop-a the time.
&lt;br/&gt;How long shall they kill our prophets,
&lt;br/&gt;While we stand aside and look?
&lt;br/&gt;Yes, some say it's just a part of it:
&lt;br/&gt;We've got to fullfil the book.
&lt;br/&gt;Won't you help to sing
&lt;br/&gt;These songs of freedom? -
&lt;br/&gt;'Cause all I ever had:
&lt;br/&gt;Redemption songs -
&lt;br/&gt;All I ever had:
&lt;br/&gt;Redemption songs:
&lt;br/&gt;These songs of freedom,
&lt;br/&gt;Songs of freedom. &lt;/div&gt;
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    <title>fear as energy particular to life?/weirdness</title>
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    <author>
      <name>bellaT</name>
    </author>
    <id>http://immortalitymortality.tribe.net/thread/ada8f209-1a8c-43b9-8534-30f8c7e1fce0</id>
    <updated>2004-12-27T06:41:46Z</updated>
    <published>2004-08-16T23:32:44Z</published>
    <summary type="html">&lt;div&gt;A weird question just popped into my head (I love the word weird by the way, will give a little breakdown of it below.
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&lt;br/&gt;Does fear exist in the realm of death?  Is fear something we can only know if we are alive?  
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&lt;br/&gt;Then another funny question.  Does fear require death in order to exist?  In other words, if we didn't die in carnal form, would we fear anything?
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&lt;br/&gt;Would we fear eternal life...identity...being here?
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&lt;br/&gt;Can we imagine what that would be like?
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&lt;br/&gt;Procreation would come from a whole different set of wants, needs and ideals.  Would we bother?  
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&lt;br/&gt;Would ethics be stronger or weaker?
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&lt;br/&gt;And so on...
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&lt;br/&gt;Okay, breakdown of weird (you probably already know this, so just take as a reminder)
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&lt;br/&gt;Weird - noun - wirde, wered, wurd/Anglo Saxon = fate from weorthan - to become.
&lt;br/&gt;a spell, charm, prophecy or destiny.
&lt;br/&gt;weird - verb transitive - to warn
&lt;br/&gt;weird - adjective - fate or destiny (archaic) mysterious, eerie, startlingly odd, &lt;/div&gt;
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		&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
    <dc:creator>bellaT</dc:creator>
    <dc:date>2004-08-16T23:32:44Z</dc:date>
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