Immortality not indestructable

topic posted Wed, May 4, 2005 - 8:12 PM by  nai'a
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Many seem to confuse immortality with being indestructable, I tend to disagree. Throughout time, there have been many immortals who lived, and few who lived for a real long time. Immortal beings are people who, born under a certain cosmic blessing, are more tuned into what is really going on.
Some people are more left handed, some right, and some ambidextrous. A full blown immortal probably would be like a super monkey human, with super fluid motion to humble the most fluid of zen masters, taoist priests, and even the amazing Mexican assembly workers..(Seriously, in my belief they rule the zen frequencies of mortal existence)
So, even tho a highly enlightened immortal may come to town riding the chariot with a sun as a wheel, this life is a temporary measure. A mix of energy and matter uniting in a puzzle.
Many stories of immortals tell of them being slaughtered by other constellations and stuff.
Any inputs???
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nai'a
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  • Re: Immortality not indestructable

    Thu, May 5, 2005 - 8:58 AM
    self is never slain. BG 2.17: "That which pervades the entire body you should know to be indestructible. No one is able to destroy that imperishable soul."
    BG 2.22: As a person puts on new garments, giving up old ones, the soul similarly accepts new material bodies, giving up the old and useless ones.

    BG 2.23: The soul can never be cut to pieces by any weapon, nor burned by fire, nor moistened by water, nor withered by the wind.

    BG 2.24: This individual soul is unbreakable and insoluble, and can be neither burned nor dried. He is everlasting, present everywhere, unchangeable, immovable and eternally the same.

    BG 2.25: It is said that the soul is invisible, inconceivable and immutable. Knowing this, you should not grieve for the body.
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    mortals do not exist
    • Re: Immortality not indestructable

      Thu, May 5, 2005 - 6:33 PM
      Without mortals, there would be no immortals
      • Re: Immortality not indestructable

        Fri, May 6, 2005 - 12:43 AM
        sematics do not have any hold on reality, matter is change able but eternal and consciousness is steady and eternal,

        Bhagavad-gītā As It Is 2.16

        nāsato vidyate bhāvo

        nābhāvo vidyate sataḥ

        ubhayor api dṛṣṭo 'ntas

        tv anayos tattva-darśibhiḥ

        SYNONYMS

        na — never; asataḥ — of the nonexistent; vidyate — there is; bhāvaḥ — endurance; na — never; abhāvaḥ — changing quality; vidyate — there is; sataḥ — of the eternal; ubhayoḥ — of the two; api — verily; dṛṣṭaḥ — observed; antaḥ — conclusion; tu — indeed; anayoḥ — of them; tattva — of the truth; darśibhiḥ — by the seers.

        TRANSLATION

        Those who are seers of the truth have concluded that of the nonexistent [the material body] there is no endurance and of the eternal [the soul] there is no change. This they have concluded by studying the nature of both.

        PURPORT

        There is no endurance of the changing body. That the body is changing every moment by the actions and reactions of the different cells is admitted by modern medical science; and thus growth and old age are taking place in the body. But the spirit soul exists permanently, remaining the same despite all changes of the body and the mind. That is the difference between matter and spirit. By nature, the body is ever changing, and the soul is eternal. This conclusion is established by all classes of seers of the truth, both impersonalist and personalist. In the Viṣṇu Purāṇa (2.12.38) it is stated that Viṣṇu and His abodes all have self-illuminated spiritual existence (jyotīḿṣi viṣṇur bhuvanāni viṣṇuḥ). The words existent and nonexistent refer only to spirit and matter. That is the version of all seers of truth.

        This is the beginning of the instruction by the Lord to the living entities who are bewildered by the influence of ignorance. Removal of ignorance involves the reestablishment of the eternal relationship between the worshiper and the worshipable and the consequent understanding of the difference between the part-and-parcel living entities and the Supreme Personality of Godhead. One can understand the nature of the Supreme by thorough study of oneself, the difference between oneself and the Supreme being understood as the relationship between the part and the whole. In the Vedānta-sūtras, as well as in the Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam, the Supreme has been accepted as the origin of all emanations. Such emanations are experienced by superior and inferior natural sequences. The living entities belong to the superior nature, as it will be revealed in the Seventh Chapter. Although there is no difference between the energy and the energetic, the energetic is accepted as the Supreme, and energy or nature is accepted as the subordinate. The living entities, therefore, are always subordinate to the Supreme Lord, as in the case of the master and the servant, or the teacher and the taught. Such clear knowledge is impossible to understand under the spell of ignorance, and to drive away such ignorance the Lord teaches the Bhagavad-gītā for the enlightenment of all living entities for all time.
        • Re: Immortality not indestructable

          Sat, May 7, 2005 - 11:12 PM
          Thank you for this perspective...yet another facet to the vast topics at hand. Interestingly, I have been getting interested in the Vedas recently, since one of the communities I interract with is that of the Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada.

          What I surmised that relates I think to what you just posted is, that all material forms are subject to time and change while etheric or spiritual form is that which is behind all form and beyond temporal time, hence this aspect is that which is immortal, as in undying.

          Do I have the concept understood correctly?
          • Re: Immortality not indestructable

            Sun, May 8, 2005 - 5:43 PM
            umm uhh, I had to read that like 2 or 3 times..
            Yes, indeed!! There are so many avenues that lead us through the portal of time, and beyond it. I tink I know what you mean..
            As for temporal time, now I see why you come across as immortal. Only a mind that dares to suspend rational thinking can begin to understand what time really is. Tis more than just a count, or rhythm, it is a pulse. A pulse which we emit from deep beyond our material selves, deeeep down in the blink of the chakra which reveals itself as many chakras so we may comprehend the infinite.
            If you have ever stared into the sun, it blinks different colors, not just orange. There are purples, reds, blues, just about any color you can think of. Not that I suggest doing it, but I started doing it amidst a deep kriya, and have done it alot since. Purrr
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              Thu, May 12, 2005 - 3:27 PM
              Purrr back....nice complimentary strokes, thanks....hmm....chakras....I wonder if (and yes, as I ask, it seems to feel like a yes inside) chakras are eternal? In other words, just like the prism you alluded to, whether our chakras are a reflection of an infinite cosmic chakra system...yummy!

              Getting quite psychedelic here (in the pure sense of the word, which is a quesion of consciousness, rather than being exclusive to thinking attained from psychedelics).
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                Sat, May 14, 2005 - 7:59 PM
                Yay, I feel like I have a nice little den of attuned souls to interact with here. purr....
                • Re: Immortality not indestructable

                  Sat, May 14, 2005 - 8:06 PM
                  A few years back, it seemed like I was immortal. So, naturally, I fell down hard. Then to rehash it all, I went through some deep cleansing, and realized that even a true Immortal being would not be indestructable, cuz time, itself is a long time winner over flesh.....
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                    Re: Immortality not indestructable

                    Wed, July 12, 2006 - 5:16 AM
                    Hi nai'a you were immortal . Keep true to what you think is best and don't spend too much time with dreamtakers. Maybe a belief in time causes it ?